Stop posting propaganda!!

I think this sort of stuff this be in the Ben Swann forum.

I had this thread prepped for a while but lost it. I can’t sit back and read some of these threads without posting this though. I’ll admit, some of these examples I’ve used aren’t the originals I found but they serve a purpose. I also bashed it out in 5 minutes at work.

If you feel this article is condescending then it’s not for you – you are already aware. The basic premise is that all these news articles we are posting and discussing is promoting ignorance. Promoting discord. Promoting the agenda to divide and conquer.

There is no greater influence on the minds of our people than the media:

“I am deeply interested in the progress and elevation of journalism, having spent my life in that profession, regarding it as a noble profession and one of unequaled importance for its influence upon the minds and morals of the people.” Joseph Pulitzer

Pulitzer refers to the progress of media. Rather than progress I would use the word ‘change’ as progress implies it has got better. The only thing it has got better at is negatively influencing minds, poor behaviour and promoting a materialistic, throwaway, celebrity obsessed set of morals we live our lives to.

(I do seem to remember though a time when the news reported unbiased facts – This was when I was young and naive so maybe the media has always been this demonic. I don’t believe it has. Over the last decade the crass nature of the media has risen to a new low.)

There are lots of threads being posted on ATS – at the moment it’s the Russia vs the West articles. All of these are propaganda.
Propaganda
“Propaganda is a form of communication, often biased or misleading in nature, aimed towards influencing the attitude of a population toward some cause, position or political agenda.
Propaganda is information that is not impartial and used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, often by presenting facts selectively (perhaps lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or using loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information presented.”
They are all very, very obviously propaganda, yet our members are discussing these like they are a representation of fact. Surely as ignorance deniers we should be aware of this manipulation?

The media use tricks and lies.

I do believe though that there are many many people who are not aware of the tricks and lies (the media would not call them lies) the media use to control us and our thoughts. The tricks they use to get us fired up and working against each other – meanwhile we let the real crimes go unchecked.

The Effect of Motifs
When you see a brand you associate meaning to it, both consciously and sub-consciously. Over time the more you see this logo the more your mind associates certain meaning to it. Think of a few logos and the meanings they conjure up – negative or positive – the logos/motifs carry meaning. The meanings are held in our mind.

The media use the same trick to plant the seeds of meaning into our minds. Usually these seeds serving to control the mind of the populace.

After 9/11 the tabloids were on overdrive – almost every day a random turban wearing Muslim was on the front page surrounded by large bold words. Anybody who new the media back then could see we were being prepped to hate Muslims. Back then though we didn’t hate the Muslims as much, now we despise them. The repeated use of the Muslim motif with negative connotations has worked.

The Effect of Unnecessary Emotive Language
Another trick to implant mis-directed emotions into the reader’s mind is the over-use of emotive language. Often used to steer the reader away from asking sensible questions.

Here’s a story I just randomly found now: www.mirror.co.uk...

See how the word ‘imaginary’ is used over and over? It’s to fire the reader up – “What?!?! He didn’t even have anything! It was imaginary! God Damned stupid political correctness gone barmy!”
Rather than the reader having time to stop and think: “I wonder why this action was taken? Is it against the rules? Did the boy scare other children and carry on scaring other children? Has the boy been warned before? Is the story reporting all the facts or just one side?”

And this – another random one:
www.dailymail.co.uk... s.html
Repeated use of “dictatorial” – “university walk” – A quote: “I find it quite dictatorial”

All these tricks serve to push the populace into a moral panic. It forces the readership into focusing attention and emotions on things they think are important, things they are made to think are the wrong doings – These papers are giving people opinions without letting them think about it.

“… moral panics are about representations, images and coercion: about which sector of a society has the power to represent and impose its images, world views and interests onto others as being both legitimate and valid.”

Moral Panics

This isn’t only tabloids though – the broadsheets elevate themselves to a stance in which the reader feels they have to believe this article to be as intelligent as other readers. These broadsheets focus on making the reader feel inferior, the tabloids focus on making the reader emotional and angry.


All this is distracting us. The human race is being completely f***ed over by the corporate run media and they’re lapping it up.

a reply to: and14263

The public is just way too damn PREDICTABLE. Something happens (or they pump out all these stories about something "happening"), the public reacts, they take note. Repeat the process, gather more information on how people act in large groups, in response to various kinds of news stories.

Now they know how idiot Americans will respond (not just Americans, but we are the MOST programmed I would say), and they use it against us.

People (including myself) on ATS are just as likely to fall into it as others. But having this conversation IS IMPORTANT because we need to realize how manufactured these issues are and for what reason they are programming us this way.

We really do need to wake up and stop letting the 4th branch of the government (the media) dictate what we should think/be upset about/ etc. etc.

THANK YOU OP, S & F and Props and Respect

Talking about how its all propaganda though also spreads moral panick

Instead of just talking about how bad the world is, people should do something. Otherwise its all just empty words, and more porpoganda.

a reply to: and14263

I have some thoughts on what you posted (none of which are disagreements) but for the moment I'll add some fuel to the fire.

The TOP story on the once respectable New York Post website this morning.... TOP STORY....
"How I told my parents I'm a porn star."

Hands down one of the best rants I have ever read here. Worthy of more than the one star and flag I can give!

I remember reading zmag after that statue "fell" in Baghdad, the news showed the crowds of angry people smacking it with shoes and cheering. Zmag showed a picture of that same square from further away though, tanks and APC's blocking every entrance. Time lapse pictures showed people walking in calmly, escorted by our troops, and then the show started.

They were feeding a narrative, sure, but the MSM was feeding a false narrative.

Thank you for this though!

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a reply to: nonjudgementalist

All you can do on a forum is write about it - Hate it when people say that on ATS, it's like appealing to a cheap debate tactic.

I do real things in the physical world.

Stop ranting, it's bad for your health.

Its the new ats, find an obscure blog, post it as proof and pick up star and flags.

a reply to: and14263
One mans propaganda is another mans conspiracy theory.

a reply to: and14263


There is always a flip side to every argument ....

Its a bit like voting, one side gets more people on side (voting) and

so it wins. Same for most arguments.

There is no 'propergander' just differences of opinions.


" One mans meat being another mans poison"... comes to mind.


Our minds on balance are made up by our upbringing, and as we get

older we either change our views as life has been to us OR

stay in the same old mind frame of our upbringing. eg. >>>>

you get the *my father was labour through and through and so am I*

OR *I vote conservative because my family have always been

conservative*

a reply to: eletheia

It's not about freewilled opinions and views.... (I'll get on to that).

It's about the media making your opinions up for you.

However with regards to opinions and 'sides to a view' - the media are always pushing the idea that there are always 2 sides - WRONG! There are usually about 100 sides to a story.

So I'm not repeating myself.

However behind all the propaganda is usually a truth. Take the story of the little boy who died recently and was shown on a Turkish beach. That story pulled at the heartstrings of many in Europe and the UK. In fact it was because of that story why some pushed our government into accepting 20,000 people. After the initial heart wrenching photos other photos started coming out on the internet and we heard other stories about the father. So which version to believe. However, I don't think we need to believe any the simple truth of the matter was that a refugee child died at sea and I would think most intelligent people can see through the grabbing headlines to serve a political point and then make their own decisions as to their own truth.

With regard to all the refugees coming into Europe I don't need propaganda to tell me there are many coming. Anyone can see that. Again you have the propaganda where some articles show all the children and the words desperate are used and then you have the other side where all the men are shown and the words terrorists are shown. Again, it is up to people to make their own informed judgments on which is the truth.

If you don't want people to post propaganda then you may as well say people aren't allowed to post any sources regardless of where they come from even if they are official because again official articles are used for a purpose.a reply to: and14263

a reply to: anxiouswens

Are you being serious?

That picture was the biggest piece of propaganda of 2015. It was to make the populace buy in to the refugees. Then once the refugees are here the next propaganda tells us to hate them (as we see in Germany and other similars).

You see WHY there are two sides in the media?

The problem with the members posting propaganda is that it is never highlighted as propaganda and addressed as a normal news story!

EDIT: I just noticed all your threads are propaganda. Nice.

originally posted by: and14263


It's about the media making your opinions up for you.

Most people usually have a view point before reading/watching

the media it will either be in line with their views ...or not.

Its up to every individual to stand by what they believe, or be

swayed by what they read/watch.


They have the choice to do .... or not to do, that doesn't

constitute having their opinions made up for them??

a reply to: eletheia

You think that's the case but you are misled.

From the minute you were born your eyes, ears and mind have been absorbing biased information. You believe your opinions are your own but they are most likely not. Your views before reading the story are not innate. Your views before the story will be swayed by clever tricks.

It's hard to hear it but it's true. Your idea of choice is not as guaranteed as you'd like to think.

originally posted by: and14263


Are you being serious?

That picture was the biggest piece of propaganda of 2015. It was to make the populace buy in to the refugees. Then once the refugees are here the next propaganda tells us to hate them (as we see in Germany and other similars).

You see WHY there are two sides in the media?

So therefor there is no such thing as *propaganda* only two sides to

the same story? and make up your mind which one you believe in!

The problem with the members posting propaganda is that it is never highlighted as propaganda and addressed as a normal news story!

Surely what members post is their opinions based on what they have read/

watched ... only their opinions not propaganda

a reply to: eletheia

It's about how the story is told.



The threads I'm referring to are propaganda. Not people's opinions.

I can see though that you are just disagreeing for the sake of a debate either that or you didn't read the long OP.

originally posted by: and14263
a reply to: eletheia

You think that's the case but you are misled.

From the minute you were born your eyes, ears and mind have been absorbing biased information. You believe your opinions are your own but they are most likely not. Your views before reading the story are not innate. Your views before the story will be swayed by clever tricks.

It's hard to hear it but it's true. Your idea of choice is not as guaranteed as you'd like to think.

I have to disagree, sorry.
First of all those biases work on both sides, those that have an unwanted view and those that have a wanted view. It doesn't make one side more informed than the other.

Secondly, and this is where my disagreement stems from. Whilst most people are indeed easily lead [in this case most 'propaganda' by the news is on the side of the poor 'refugees' and how everyone disagreeing is a Nazi] but there is also a vast amount of opinion that changes with experience. Not every opinion is made by the MSM, you have completely ignored personal experiences that will shape opinions, often into the complete opposite!

To say that all people are brainless and believe everything they are told is also unfair, there is a good amount of people who are just as clever as you and can see through all the BS.

Propaganda is capitalism at it's most slimey...

Create a consumerist culture thru fear and nationalism.

In other countries; instead of consumerism it's control, thru fear and nationalism.

take your pick...

i'm gonna step out a minute and go buy a pack of smokes....

originally posted by: and14263
a reply to: eletheia

You think that's the case but you are misled.

From the minute you were born your eyes, ears and mind have been absorbing biased information. You believe your opinions are your own but they are most likely not. Your views before reading the story are not innate. Your views before the story will be swayed by clever tricks.

TRUE ... but there for that goes for every body. So is every body is biased?

But I know that my views ARE my views, because I gather as much info

from as many sources as I can, cogitate, digest it all and then arrive at

MY opinion.

It's hard to hear it but it's true. Your idea of choice is not as guaranteed as you'd like to think.

^^^^ guarantees it is my opinion