It's time to wake up!

a reply to: Andy1144

You didn't even say it and I never said you did.

I gave it as an example.

You trying too hard.

a reply to: daskakik

I know obviously, I was just using it as an example as well.

a reply to: daskakik
Did you watch the BBC Horizon documentary?
vimeo.com...

a reply to: Itisnowagain

I've sent him similar, he's not convinced. It's interesting how scientific terms which aren't really mainstream are all trashed as new age junk without even being open to what it is. Nice video though, I remember seeing it when I was younger.

a reply to: Andy1144
The best way to scientifically see if something is true is to directly observe - this is what a scientist would do - observe directly.
But it seems that some believe that 'scientific proof' is what some scientist says about it.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

I think scientists deal more with analyzing pieces of the puzzle then directly experiencing the mechanism of no free will. I think very little scientists actually take the concept of no free will and actually apply it to their direct experiences. Sam Harris is one which I respect. But yes, direct experience trumps all speculation about no free will.

Also it would be interesting if one could do the consciousness experiment that guy did in the video at home. I'll have to see how it's done.

a reply to: Andy1144
How can anyone be convinced?
It does not matter what any other person (scientist or not) says about anything - one has to look and see for themselves.
If there is a willingness then it will be seen.

Trusting what is said, heard or read (past knowledge) is ignorance but to look and see directly is intelligence.

originally posted by: Andy1144

Also it would be interesting if one could do the consciousness experiment that guy did in the video at home. I'll have to see how it's done.

It is done by noticing that thoughts arise without there being a you doing it.
There is a recognition that you are 'the seeing of' what appears.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

This can be frightening to the ego, because there is the belief that there is a "me" being driven by my impulses, a "me" who has no control. And it can be frightening, it was for me a few years ago when I got into these stuff. Even thought about suicide.

originally posted by: Andy1144
a reply to: Itisnowagain

This can be frightening to the ego, because there is the belief that there is a "me" being driven by my impulses, a "me" who has no control. And it can be frightening, it was for me a few years ago when I got into these stuff. Even thought about suicide.

It is terrifying for the 'me' to even contemplate this - it is the end of 'me'.
And that is why there is an unwillingness to look.
The looking may only happen if one is ready to die - suicidal thoughts happen.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Oh man, I was so hopeless even cried trying to explain to my family what I realized but they wouldn't understand. I literally thought I was a puppet with my brain deciding my decisions seconds before I did. So I thought "why do anything". But even this thinking is wrong because it establishes a duality. A "me" which is being controlled by impulses. But if you look closely, it's just the impulses happening. There is no "me" being controlled.

a reply to: Andy1144

I literally thought I was a puppet with my brain deciding my decisions seconds before I did.

On reading this - this cartoon came to mind.

It was a shock for Kermit too!!

Yes, the thought 'Why do anything?' implies there is someone doing something or that can do something or has to do something. Everything is being done - including the thought 'Why do anything?'.
There is no you that can do anything!!

Just finished watching, what was this suppose to prove?

You posted the video of Clive Wearing once and I never did figure out what it proved. If anything it proves that someone like that needs help just to get on with life.

I remember Kaku saying in an episode on air driven cars that if they could find a way to reuse the air the car would be able to power iteslf infinitely. Sometimes MSM science is really watered down.

originally posted by: Andy1144
I've sent him similar, he's not convinced.

Do you understand what, "it has nothing to do with what I believe", means?

originally posted by: daskakik
Just finished watching, what was this suppose to prove?

If you can't work it out then there is no point.
Have you not been following the thread?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
If you can't work it out then there is no point.

I wish you and others would think about that before making claims that you know you can't prove.

a reply to: daskakik

Do you understand what, "it has nothing to do with what I believe", means?

What does it mean daki, hit me. Doesn't it have everything to do with you?

originally posted by: Andy1144
What does it mean daki, hit me. Doesn't it have everything to do with you?

It means that I might actually agree 100% with you but my point isn't about me.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
If you can't work it out then there is no point.

I wish you and others would think about that before making claims that you know you can't prove.

What claim is that?
If you watch and listen to the video it proves that there is no one making decisions or doing anything - maybe it went over your head?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
What claim is that?
If you watch and listen to the video it proves that there is no one making decisions or doing anything - maybe it went over your head?

Maybe, it doesn't matter because that is my point, it will go over some peoples head or they will just not accept it and that you can't prove that what you say is true.