IS in Egypt claimed to have shot down the Russian plane that crashed in the Sinai

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: introvert

No, it appears that they fell almost straight down like that. The data from the aircraft shows them climbing and diving repeatedly.

Thanks for explaining that Zaphod. So does this lend credence to losing the tail rudder section? I've read that this plane was not maintained properly and that it may have been involved in a contact incident with another plane where the tail section was involved. During taxing at another airport at a different time.

a reply to: Kratos40

No, the tail was found with the impact site. This is actually similar to Air France 447 in which the pitot tubes froze and they did something similar until the aircraft hit the water.

There was a technical order a few years ago about pitot tubes freezing in flight, leading to bad data to the computers. If they didn't change the tubes that could have happened again.

It was a tail strike during a landing. That could have led to the aft bulkhead failing which would have caused the vertical fin to come off, similar to Japan 123.

No one likes ISIS, so this is a better diplomatic situation than if say, the rebels in Syria shot down a Russian airliner. Still a tragedy. I heard there were people stuck inside.

Egyptian and Russian officials are still denying that Egyptian insurgents could have downed the plane. The black boxes have been recovered.

www.thehindu.com...

In Russia, the wife of the plane’s co-pilot said her husband had complained about the plane’s condition.

Natalya Trukhacheva told state-controlled NTV that their daughter had called Sergei Trukachev before the flight left Sharm el-Sheikh.

“He complained before the flight that the technical condition of the aircraft left much to be desired,” she said.

Egypt’s Prime Minister has said a technical fault was the likely cause, dismissing claims by Islamic State militants.

However, three airlines - Emirates, Air France and Lufthansa - have decided not to fly over the Sinai Peninsula until more information is available.

Here is a quote from an Egyptian security officer who was on the scene of the crash:

www.theguardian.com...

“I now see a tragic scene,” an Egyptian security officer at the site told Reuters by telephone. “A lot of dead on the ground and many who died whilst strapped to their seats. The plane split into two, a small part on the tail end that burned, and a larger part that crashed into a rockface. We have extracted at least 100 bodies and the rest are still inside.”

Le Monde is reporting that the search area has been considerably enlarged, which suggests that the aircraft came apart in the air, for whatever reason.

www.lemonde.fr...

Les secouristes égyptiens ont élargi à 15 kilomètres, dimanche 1er novembre, le périmètre de leurs recherches pour retrouver les 61 corps manquants parmi les 224 occupants de l’avion charter russe qui s’est écrasé, samedi, dans le désert du Sinaï.

Les autorités avaient annoncé samedi avoir trouvé des débris et des corps dans un cercle s’étendant sur 8 kilomètres de rayon, ce qui, selon des experts, indique a priori que l’Airbus A321-200 de la compagnie russe Kogalymavia, plus connue sous le nom « Metrojet », n’avait pas touché le sol en un morceau mais s’était disloqué ou avait explosé en vol.

Translation: Egyptian rescuers widened to 15 km, Sunday, November 1, the scope of their research to find the 61 missing bodies among the 224 occupants of the Russian charter plane that crashed on Saturday in the Sinai desert.

The authorities announced Saturday it had found debris and bodies in a circle extending over 8 km radius, which, experts say, indicates a priori that the Airbus A321-200 of the Russian company Kogalymavia, better known as the name "Metrojet" had not touched the ground in one piece but had dislocated or had exploded in flight.

a reply to: ipsedixit

The way that it was climbing and diving at some point would have overstressed the airframe and it would have come apart prior to impact. They found one body at 5 miles from the impact site. Still doesn't prove it was shot down.

a reply to: Zaphod58




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a reply to: Hyperia

No. That's not even on the list of remote possibilities.

a reply to: Zaphod58
it broke in two pieces?

a reply to: Zaphod58

They are now claiming debris was found in a 20sq km wide area...
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does this change your theory in regards to foul play??

a reply to: Hyperia

Which happens when planes go out of control. Or suffer mechanical failure that pilots don't react correctly to.

a reply to: combatmaster

The farthest bit of "debris" that I've heard them finding is the body of a passenger. That means at some point the cabin was compromised. It could have been a bomb, or it could have been caused by the wild maneuvering the aircraft was doing.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Its a Boeing not a fokker

I've been reading from day one that they do NOT have surface to air missiles. No planes. Don't see how they could have taken it down. This sounds like more blustering from them.

According to the ISIS release...

"Soldiers of the Caliphate were able to bring down a Russian plane in the Sinai province carrying more than 220 crusaders who were all killed," wrote the extremist group in a statement posted his usual Twitter accounts, indicating that it acted in retaliation Russian intervention in Syria.'

So, where does it say that they claim to have used a missile to bring it down? Is it not just as (or more) likely that they planted a bomb on the plane? That is, assuming they are in fact responsible.

Remember that the French Government have been proven to have a vested interest in making all Muslims look bad.

Wouldn't take Le Figaro as a good source on this story.

originally posted by: mobiusmale
According to the ISIS release...

"Soldiers of the Caliphate were able to bring down a Russian plane in the Sinai province carrying more than 220 crusaders who were all killed," wrote the extremist group in a statement posted his usual Twitter accounts, indicating that it acted in retaliation Russian intervention in Syria.'

So, where does it say that they claim to have used a missile to bring it down? Is it not just as (or more) likely that they planted a bomb on the plane? That is, assuming they are in fact responsible.

Wow. I didn't even think about that. Could have even been a suicide bomber. Good thinking.

a reply to: Hyperia

It's an Airbus, and so what. You think they can't go out of control? Tell that to the thousands of people that have died when their Boeing or Airbus went out of control and broke up. I don't care who makes it, the laws of flight still apply to them too.

This is one of those cases where I won't make up my mind yet. Both scenarios could happen, we just don't know enough about the whole thing yet.
Best to save early reports, where news sometimes say things that are later twisted.