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originally posted by: voyger2
a reply to: yuppa
boo hoo.. news for you Israel was never a country! yet there they are occupying a land against Internationl Law!
And here you are telling lies
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: amazing
originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: amazing
I feel it's you that's one-sided on this.
However, I will cede the Israeli position may be hardening. I believe rightly.
Humor me on this as while you won't agree with the premise, there's an evolution occurring here, politically.
An interesting policy statement.
Apparently, a few hours ago he's back-pedaled on this statement. Understandably.
New alliances are forming. Jordan, they've been mellow for a while now, so that's no surprise. Egypt is basically covering Israel's backdoor in a virtual ally pose. Saudi Arabia, there's been agreements on security issues between the two for a while now.
This newest item is a political statement, which is taken the relationship to a new level. Both seeing Iran as deadly enemies.
My view sees Israel almost done with traditional negotiations. They've gotten nowhere for decades. They are now in a position of strength. At least from regional threats. Syria being the only real avowed enemy that's close and their ability to prosecute a war with Israel is non-existent.
Israel may very well take stronger actions in light of the increased attacks. Stronger than previously....
But please spare me the genocide crap. If they wanted to, they have had the ability to commit that genocide any time.
First, they've suffered that type of activity and I believe it's an evil act in their eyes. (Please spare me the usual rebuttal that the only reason Israel hasn't done so is due to international pressure. That is self-evident crap. That public pressure has not moved Israel one iota on the Palestine issue...as most of the pro-Palestinian poster say yourselves, violation of international law...blah, blah, blah.
If those laws and pressure hasn't moved them then those same laws and pressure wouldn't restricted them either. Rather simple.
An accord will not be reached until Hama, Hezbollah and Iran are out of the equation.
If you really want change? Take them on...Israel isn't budging....surely you can see that.....SURELY...LOL
Public pressure is stopping Israel from just "invading" and taking over the Palestinian territories. So they do it slowly, mile by mile as in this last little war and settlement and military installations by settlement and military installation.
The only hope of peace is for more people to side with the Palestinians. Boycott, Divest and Sanction type movements. More countries are taking that stance and it especially resonates with millennials who can see through the politics.
When I say side with the Palestinians, I don't mean against Israel, I mean for statehood. Egypt and Jordan, the two biggest players in that region, don't want war, they can't handle the refugee crisis that would be unleashed. They'll help with security as will the US and most other countries in the world.
The issue is that Israel simply will not negotiate or talk. That's it. That's the only thing stopping peace.
If you believe public pressure is stopping Israel, there's no help for it.
The sad part of this is there's never been a better opportunity for, at least, the return of the West Bank. With accords reached with Egypt and Jordan, the only close potential State enemy is Syria and they are hardly in a position to attack anyone. In other words, the current situation has never, NEVER been safer for Israel.
I suspect you didn't even read the Link I shared. When even a major Muslim country, Saudi Arabia, publically states support for Israel in a Palestinian-Israeli conflict due to Iranian influences in Palestine, then my point is beyond debatable.
Iran is an active player in the Palestinian issue and has goals that do not match Palestine's.
Palestine's current position has never been weaker-world attention now being on Syria- and at the same time never has an easier solution been at hand.
Get Hamas and Hezbollah out of Palestine. Do that and an accord would be reached.
Your hope for 'public pressure' swaying Israel, is the path for continued no change. I even begin to suspect your loyalties aren't , in fact, with Palestine at all. Rather anti-Israeli or pro Iranian....same difference.