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originally posted by: Barcs
a reply to: SlapMonkey
The officer's actions were still excessive. You're seriously going to shoot a kid through the window of a car when he's got a passenger in the car? That's even more reckless. Lethal weapons should be the last resort, not the first. I'm not saying the victim didn't take actions that allowed the office to legally make a judgement call, but to paint the officer as a victim is excessive. The officer did everything he possibly could to escalate the situation.
And it's just as inappropriate to claim something bad would have happened. Nobody knew that the kid was high on coc aine at the time, you can't just go shooting people in the face over a possibility. That's kind of a red herring in this situation, if you are looking to rectify what happened at the time.
And I saw no part of that video that showed the officer's life was in danger because of the kid. He was the one pursuing the car with deadly force.
So the kid put his life in danger, yet you clearly say here that the OFFICER was attempting to get in front of the car. If that's the case, then he put himself in harm's way hoping the kid would stop knowing he could always fall back on just shooting him. So the OFFICER created the whole situation and used it to justify shooting a kid in the face.
I try to look at each situation individually before making any judgements. You can call me biased because I disagree with this, but I have sided with cops in similar situations in the past. There was a situation in Denville, NJ where the cop was trying to arrest somebody and they pulled away with the cop hanging out of the car window, clearly putting him in danger. In this case, the officer was justified. In this case, the situation is almost opposite. Every action the officer took made the situation worse and it could have been easily resolved if he didn't charge the car with a gun out and try to step in front of a moving vehicle.
To me, this sounds similar to insurance scams where people cut you off on the highway and then slam their brakes to collect insurance from you. Yes, technically the driver who hit them in the rear is in the wrong, even though it is not their fault. That's like a cop stepping in front of a moving vehicle and then claiming the vehicle was trying to hit him. To me, it's painfully obvious that they need to do a better job training police officers. Unfortunately, the way the system is set up, the cop was technically in the right. His actions were still excessive, however.
originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: SlapMonkey
The idiot cop tried to get in front of the vehicle. I saw it with my own eyes in the video---unless you are now claiming that the video has been altered.
As I said, most five year-olds have better sense than that! The fact that the cop didn't have as much common sense as a kindergarten kid says a lot about him.
Well, I guess this is why it takes a certain type of individual willing to volunteer to put their life on the line every day in order to do their job. Yes, it does go against common sense to try and stop a moving vehicle by standing in front of it, but when you sign up to try to protect the general public, you try to do what is necessary in any given situation.
You can't deny that a person willing to flee the police and who is high on coc aine at the time is a danger to the general public, especially behind the wheel of a potential 1.5-ton weapon. You may not like the officer's judgment, but at least he was willing to try to keep him from getting on the roadway.
The cop escalated the situation---he put himself in danger then blamed the kid he'd just freaked out. He's probably a druggie, high on steroids and who knows what sort of legal drugs.
Drug test the cops. We have to weed out the whackos who are are so terrified they shoot anything that moves.
But what you're doing her is making ideologically based assumptions in order to make the cop seem worse than his actions indicate that he is. You can blame him all that you want for the outcome of this case, but I'll simply disagree with you, as did the outcomes of the multiple investigations into this case.