Originally posted by chebob
Come on this is silly. The website is "GodhatesAmerica.com".

I would have similar reservations about a post that quoted something like "This Just In - Europeans are Racist, check out this link at www.europeanKuKluxKlan.com"

Before condeming someone listen or read what they actually believe. They have nothing to do with the KKK. Maybe 911 was punishment for the Clinton days?

Originally posted by DrHoracid

Originally posted by chebob
Come on this is silly. The website is "GodhatesAmerica.com".

I would have similar reservations about a post that quoted something like "This Just In - Europeans are Racist, check out this link at www.europeanKuKluxKlan.com"

Before condeming someone listen or read what they actually believe. They have nothing to do with the KKK. Maybe 911 was punishment for the Clinton days?

In case you didn't realize, I was reffering to the fact that a site called "godhatesAmerica" is hardly likely to contain soemthing your going to like. Wake up.

Originally posted by chebob

Originally posted by DrHoracid

Originally posted by chebob
Come on this is silly. The website is "GodhatesAmerica.com".

I would have similar reservations about a post that quoted something like "This Just In - Europeans are Racist, check out this link at www.europeanKuKluxKlan.com"

Before condeming someone listen or read what they actually believe. They have nothing to do with the KKK. Maybe 911 was punishment for the Clinton days?

In case you didn't realize, I was reffering to the fact that a site called "godhatesAmerica" is hardly likely to contain soemthing your going to like. Wake up.

Well it could have been a lib site. Like Rense, moveon.org, the New York Times, The Guardian, get it?

Well it could have been a lib site. Like Rense, moveon.org, the New York Times, The Guardian, get it?

I'm so sorry to see people still clinging to the stereotypes of "Liberal" and "Conservative," which in actuality no longer exist.

What exists now, as polar opposites, are people who believe in "consent of the governed" and "advise and consent" versus the people (like the NeoCons, the LeoStrauss crowd, etc) who believe in lies and deception as the proper way to take care of underclasses who are presumably too stupid to know how to act in their own behalf or articulate their own issues.

Pro CONSENT (Libertarian, Constitutional Conservatives)

versus

Non-CONSENTing (Socialist, Communist, Republican Industrialist, Fascist)

What will it take to get these old outworn, irrelevant labels to just DIE?

But, anyway--What GAY or straight people consent to, only becomes a public issue or a matter for judgment, if it affects other populations adversely, who had not consented to the effects they obtain.

If those X-tians are being affected adversely--if they were politically asute--they would be talking about EFFECTS--and not merely hating people.





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Originally posted by DrHoracid


Well it could have been a lib site. Like Rense, moveon.org, the New York Times, The Guardian, get it?

I've really got no idea where your coming from. Where does that comment go? What does it do? It is irrelevant. www.Godhayesamerica.com is clearly going to be extreme and is very likely a piss take, as an Adult (or not) I'm sure you realise this. Like I said, would there be shock if I was to post a link to a BNP website and claim that all politicians are racist? There would be ridicule, because the BNP, like that website, wear there views on there sleeve. Not representative of the community like "www.godhatesamerica.com" isn't representative of the church. I refer you to the thread title "Church Thanks God...."

Deny Ignorance

Originally posted by defrag99

I'm so sorry to see people still clinging to the stereotypes of "Liberal" and "Conservative," which in actuality no longer exist.

What exists now, as polar opposites, are people who believe in "consent of the governed" and "advise and consent" versus the people (like the NeoCons, the LeoStrauss crowd, etc) who believe in lies and deception as the proper way to take care of underclasses who are presumably too stupid to know how to act in their own behalf or articulate their own issues.

Pro CONSENT (Libertarian, Constitutional Conservatives)

versus

Non-CONSENTing (Socialist, Communist, Republican Industrialist, Fascist)

What will it take to get these old outworn, irrelevant labels to just DIE?

Kill all the major Media..............but you are correct in your statement.

Originally posted by DrHoracid

Before condeming someone listen or read what they actually believe.

Horacid, they can post all manner of scripture in their site, but that does not change the fact that they are not following a simple rule given by God and re-spoken by Christ....

Love thy neighbor as thyself. There is nothing in that flyer that speaks of love, at all.

Why is it always the "Church" of whichever faith that seems to me to be the least tolerent ,whenever a topic is raised that conflicts with their blinkered beliefs.

Okay, I can say this without judging anyone, because I'm going strictly off what THIS church's holy book states clearly...

"Judge not lest ye be judged"...

man do these people have a judgment coming their way! W00T!

Originally posted by Valhall
Okay, I can say this without judging anyone, because I'm going strictly off what THIS church's holy book states clearly...

"Judge not lest ye be judged"...

man do these people have a judgment coming their way! W00T!

They have covered that on their website of FAQ's. You gotta read this one Val.......well I was gonna post it but their website is down.

Ok...I'm looking on their website as soon as I can to find their scripture. Boy, I can't wait to start slamming with my own scripture.

The website GHF (I don't want to mention their name out loud anymore either) is nothing more than vile disgusting hate speech, nothing more
nothing less.
It go's beyond the bounds of anything remotely related to Free Speech.

I'm not a Bible scholar by any means, and am not a fan of using Bible
Quotes, but I think this one sums it up:

"Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what
measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

MacMerdin, just a little gentle reminder.

You don't PROVE anything by slamming scriptures around. Zero. Nada.

Now, if you can point to real effects-in-time that arise out of a behavior that you are experienced in having to deal with, time-after-time, then your experience can inform someone else's judgement besides your own.

But Scriptures are a guide--not a form of worship. That's called Bibliolatry.

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Ok....lets start the fun.

Leviticus...if anyone has ever read Leviticus other than the famous quote.

Chapter 1

11'(S)He shall slay it on the side of the altar northward before the LORD, and Aaron's sons the priests shall sprinkle its blood around on the altar.


12'He shall then cut it into its pieces with its head and its (T)suet, and the priest shall arrange them on the wood which is on the fire that is on the altar.

I see nowhere any church doing this?

Chapter 2

14'Also if you bring a grain offering of early ripened things to the LORD, you shall bring (O)fresh heads of grain roasted in the fire, grits of new growth, for the grain offering of your early ripened things.


15'You shall then put oil on it and lay incense on it; it is a grain offering.


16'The priest shall offer up in smoke (P)its memorial portion, part of its grits and its oil with all its incense as an offering by fire to the LORD.

See above.

Chapter 3

15and the two kidneys with the fat that is on them, which is on the loins, and the lobe of the liver, which he shall remove (S)with the kidneys.


16'The priest shall offer them up in smoke on the altar as food, an offering by fire for a soothing aroma; (T)all fat is the LORD'S.


17'It is a (U)perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwellings: you shall not eat any fat (V)or any blood.'"

same here, you get the point about offerings.....so many different offerings with so many different ways of doing it. Oh no....I may have burnt my lamb to the east instead of the north or ate some fat (easy to do)....now God must kill me like Nadab and Abihu.

Chapter 11

'Nevertheless, (B)you are not to eat of these, among those which chew the cud, or among those which divide the hoof: the camel, for though it chews cud, it does not divide the hoof, it is unclean to you.


5'Likewise, the shaphan, for though it chews cud, it does not divide the hoof, it is unclean to you;


6the rabbit also, for though it chews cud, it does not divide the hoof, it is unclean to you;


7and the pig, for though it divides the hoof, thus making a split hoof, it does not chew cud, it is unclean to you.


8'You shall not eat of their flesh nor touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you.

Hmm...anyone up for a game of pigskin...err I mean football?

10'(D)But whatever is in the seas and in the rivers that does not have fins and scales among all the teeming life of the water, and among all the living creatures that are in the water, they are detestable things to you,


11and they shall be [a]abhorrent to you; you may not eat of their flesh, and their carcasses you shall detest.

Some bibles say abomination just as the same as gay sex is an abomination. Filthy shellfish eaters!!!! I won't go into more (there's alot) but you get the idea.

Chapter 12

1Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,

2"Speak to the sons of Israel, saying: 'When a woman gives birth and bears a male child, then she shall be unclean for seven days, (A)as in the days of her menstruation she shall be unclean.


3'On (B)the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.


4'Then she shall remain in the blood of her purification for thirty-three days; she shall not touch any consecrated thing, nor enter the sanctuary until the days of her purification are completed.


5'But if she bears a female child, then she shall be unclean for two weeks, as in her menstruation; and she shall remain in the blood of her purification for sixty-six days.

Hmm....if you're a woman and have given birth.....better wait the right amount of days to go to church.

ok...I could go on and on but I will hear the same things from the same people. "That doesn't count". Well if you take the bible as the litteral word of God then YES IT DOES!!!!! Over and out for now.....still looking at scripture.

Slamming scripture is the only way to get down to the same level as these bible thumpers. They don't want to listen to anything someone has to say about their experience...just bible scripture....so what else am I suppossed to do?

As a Christian, I am not happy to see anyone die, especially if they died in their sins, never accepting Jesus as their Savior.

One of the greatest differences between Christians and Non Christians is that Christians look forward to going to a place called "HEAVEN" after death, and actually look forward to it, there is no fear of death.

Death takes us out of this world full of sin, perversions, unjust judges and court systems, a constant bombardment of evil suggestions sent by way of TV, Newpapers, Movies, Billboards and the many other forms of Media that are attempting to defile christians and pervert the masses.

I would be the first to tell you that it is not easy being a "True Christian" , for everything in this world fights against us in our battle to live a "HOLY" and "PURE" Lifesyle, even our "BODIES" are a battleground as we endeavor to crucify the "Lust's Of The Flesh" which are the sin's most men fall into, and will cause them in the end to be cast into the Lake Of Fire.

It is all about "CHOICE" I have told many homosexuals that they need to repent and turn from their abominable acts or else face the Lake Of Fire at the Day Of Judgement.

Is this "HATE" , because I know for a certainty that they will wind up in the LAKE if they continue to live this lifestlye, and tell them they need to repent ?

I grow weary of so many that call Christians "HATERS" because we warn people of the consequences of their vile lifestyles. To the contrary, It is "LOVE" that motivates us to warn you for we do not desire to see any soul lost and cast into the Lake Of Fire.

Would you consider it Love to stand by and say nothing as we see you headed down the road that leads to distruction ?

Every True Christian has had an experience with God that leaves no doubt whatsoever that, GOD is Real, Heaven is Real, Hell is Real, Demons are Real, Satan is Real and that the Angels of GOD are real. There are many Christians that have seen glimpses of Heaven, have seen Angels and Demons and other sorts of Spirit Beings. This is why "True Christians" are so unwavering in our conviction, we "KNOW THE TRUTH" and try to get others to accept the things that we know are true and will help them to one day enter in the "CITY" through the gates.

I have personally seen the Blind get their sight, The Lame Walk, The Deaf Hear, Cancers Healed, Aid's Healed and a Host of other Miracle's Performed "In The Name Of Jesus" , just like those Miracles written in the Bible.

I have gone to hospitals and Prayed the Prayer of Faith and seen God heal the sick. I have seen a Glimpse of Heaven, have decerned and cast out Evil Spirits. I know for myself that it works, if you do what the Bible tells you to.

Now after having said all that, there will still be many in here that would question me and doubt the truths I have shared with you.

My question to you is,

Should I Feel Sorry For You If You Wind Up In The Lake Of Fire ?

Should I shed any tears for you after begging you to consider the possibility that you could be wrong in your assumption concerning the Truth Of God ?

Should I be sorry that "YOU" did not put forth any effort in proving God ?

Should I feel sorry for you if I warned you that a Homosexual Lifestyle would cause you to end up in "The Lake Of Fire" for eternity and you refused to listen and called me a "Hater" said that whatever you do behind closed doors and in public is none of my concern and that I need to mind my own business just keep my mouth shut and love you dispite the Lifestyle you Live, should I still feel sorry for you ?

I do not totally agree with any church "Rejoicing" over the death of others, but I do understand. I feel sorrow for those that were decieved and forced into the Gay lifestyle while they were young and did not understand what they were doing and the consequences.

I do not feel any sorrow for those that would attempt to further this vile lifestyle and recruit others and present this lie as "Truth".

When God finally destroys the Wicked Men and Evil Rulers of this World, I will certainly rejoice, for they are the cause of the suffering we see in all the world and I will be glad that at last, they are gone.

Not everyone who says they are a Christian IS a Christian, even though they may honestly believe it themselves.
Rhetoric like this is hatemongering and has no place in genuine Christianity.
It is a shame that such vile sewage as this tries to associate itself with a noble religious faith.

Edit:
(this post is in answer to the original post and not to LastDayProphet's post - just in case you wondered)



[edit on 3-1-2005 by bios]

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet

I grow weary of so many that call Christians "HATERS" because we warn people of the consequences of their vile lifestyles. To the contrary, It is "LOVE" that motivates us to warn you for we do not desire to see any soul lost and cast into the Lake Of Fire.

I have personally seen the Blind get their sight, The Lame Walk, The Deaf Hear, Cancers Healed, Aid's Healed and a Host of other Miracle's Performed "In The Name Of Jesus" , just like those Miracles written in the Bible.

"godHATESfags.com" That sounds like a site FULL of love to me. And don't say try reading the site...I have a little (it went down as I was reading)...pure HATE.

If you've seen AIDS cured....why haven't you been on the media yet telling (preaching) everyone about this miraculous cure?

Now don't get me wrong lastday but these vissions of angles and demons you speak of......there is a psychological term for this...it's called schitsophrenia. I believe some people are righteous (Mother Teresa) but the ones who use "Jesus's name" to inspire hate are the true evil doers.

Originally posted by MacMerdin

If you've seen AIDS cured....why haven't you been on the media yet telling (preaching) everyone about this miraculous cure?

The media is not interested in any miraculous healings and when there have been such things reported - the media generally has some "expert" spout off - unfortunately the "expert" is as clueless as the talking head reporter.

Now don't get me wrong lastday but these vissions of angles and demons you speak of......there is a psychological term for this...it's called schitsophrenia. I believe some people are righteous (Mother Teresa) but the ones who use "Jesus's name" to inspire hate are the true evil doers.

"schitsophrenia"????
ROFL!!!!!!!!!

Like the way I spell do ya? Look, I'm not trying to get into a Christian bashing arguement with anyone. Just a zealous, fanatical Christian bashing arguement....which these people (the ones who have the site) are. I know a true Christian by their acts, not their words.