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originally posted by: deadeyedick
You are just trying to take up for the guy that is defenseless by his own doing.
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
No, I'm trying to add a bit of pragmatism into a discussion that has been purely centered on Anthropomorphic hyperbole and emotional histrionics. "Oh noes! A fuzzy member of the animal kingdom is dead. Boo-hoo, sob sob, how could someone shoot a majestic creature?" Man is essentially an animal... animals kill other animals. It's the circle of life.
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: blupblup
Really? Humanity rapes their own, murders their own, makes war for profit against their own, aborts their own unborn by the millions, enslaves their own, and generally treats their own like dog crap... and a wealthy guy paying $60,000 into a struggling economy to shoot an elephant is the reason there's "no hope."
It's called perspective, please find some.
originally posted by: blupblup
Maybe these guys could start paying £50k/$50k a pop to kill some people.... we have a population crisis on our hands, too many homeless and what not... **** it man, why not? Save the economy AND help the planet, win-win.
I agree with you, people should be asking why these trophy hunts are still so widely done when they don't really contribute as much as the safari and other non hunt related tourism
I am not sure how much money the non hunting safaris generate, but I do know that hikers are numerous on the Appalachian Trail and they generate no money for wildlife conservation.
Trophy hunting generally cuts short the earning potential of a living animal. For example, the ivory of a single poached elephant can earn about $21,000 on the black market. That’s a small fraction of the $1.6 million that same elephant can rake up through ecotourism over the course of its life.
The number of jobs generated by trophy hunting across the continent of Africa has been put at around 15,000. Some researchers, however, point out that the jobs created by the industry are rather low considering how much land is used for the sport. For the 11 countries where big game hunting is most widely practiced, hunting preserves take up about 15 percent of national territory, but account for less than one percent of their respective country’s GDP. The earnings from tourism overall are up to six times the amount accrued from trophy hunting.
Botswana appears to be leading the way in the battle to preserve the continent’s famous living treasury of animals. Tourism brought £227m into the economy last year. High-end camps attract visitors from around the world to appreciate nature that most people can see only on television. The president banned commercial hunting in 2014, and the country’s conservation projects are the envy of many.
Exposing The Hunters' Lies
Hunters claim they are "conservationists", arguing that the only way that wildlife can survive is if it is given an economic value. There is no disputing that trophy hunting is a lucrative business. The question is could it really be more valuable than eco-tourism? And, even more importantly, does it earn income for the millions of poor people who will otherwise regard wild animals as nothing but a nuisance?
Hunting versus eco-tourism
A November 2004 study by the University of Port Elizabeth estimated that eco-tourism on private game reserves generated "more than 15 times the income of livestock or game rearing or overseas hunting". (1) Eco-tourism lodges in Eastern Cape Province produce almost 2000 rand (£180) per hectare. Researchers also noted that more jobs were created and staff received "extensive skills training". (2)
“Local African communities are key stakeholders for conservation, and they need real incentives for conservation,” said Jeff Flocken, North American regional director, International Fund for Animal Welfare. “Non-consumptive nature tourism–like wildlife viewing and photo safaris–is a much greater contributor than trophy hunting to both conservation and the economy in Africa. If trophy hunting and other threats continue depleting Africa’s wildlife, then Africa’s wildlife tourism will disappear. That is the real economic threat to the countries of Africa.”
For example, a Synovate eNation poll in 2011 found that of those responding to its survey, 70.4% of Americans would pay to view lions on an African safari, while only 6.6% would pay to hunt them.
And opposition is not just theoretical -- a poll conducted by the Beekeeper group on behalf of the IFAW in 2014 found that 82% of Americans surveyed support banning lion trophies, and 83% support banning elephant trophies.
Economically, the actual benefits accrued by local people from the hunts have been found to be exaggerated or practically non-existent in the case of trophy hunted animals like polar bears in Canada, according to a report for IFAW by Economists at Large. And in Tanzania -- one of Africa's top sport-hunting destinations -- an estimated 3-5% of hunting revenues are actually shared with fringe communities, according to a report by Hassanali Thomas Sachedina of St. Anthony's College, University of Oxford.
Conversely, eco-tourism has become such a critical line item in the economies of some African countries that some governments are taking steps against sport hunting in order to protect this more vital industry.
MYTH: Revenues from hunting go back and benefit small villages.
Dereck says that revenue almost always stays outside of Africa. They don’t benefit small villages. Most of these safari companies are American run. Of 600 permits to kill lions in all of Africa in 2012, 566 were bought by Americans.
More anthropomorphism? :rolleyes:
originally posted by: PurpleDog UK
You miss the point..... Killing for killings sake shows the individual to be of an unstable mind or some sort of mental illness.....couple this with the fact that he thinks it's acceptable to pay to kill....!!! It's the same thinking as offering a donation to cancer research and then expecting to end a cancers patients life because 'he paid' to do so........
Hunting for anything BUT food and shelter is abhorrent, immoral, wrong and downright disgusting..... ALL who subscribe to this attitude illustrate a form of mental illness and an inferiority complex....