Russia to Turkey: There’s a New Sheriff in Town: Russian Radar Locks on to Turkish Fighter Jets

And it ain't Barack Obama!

Putin’s “Endgame” in Syria

Russia in Syria: Russian Radar Locks on to Turkish Fighter Jets

Russia doesn’t want to fight a war with Turkey...

...Last week, Russian warplanes intruded into Turkish airspace twice. Both incidents caused consternation in Ankara and send Turkish leaders into a furor. On both occasions, officials in Moscow politely apologized for the incursions claiming they were unintentional (“navigational errors”) and that they would try to avoid similar intrusions in the future.
Then there was a third incident, a more serious incident, that was not a mistake. It was clearly intended to send a message to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Here’s a short summary of what happened from an article at the World Socialist Web Site:
“Turkish officials claimed a third incident on Monday, when an unidentified MiG-29 fighter jet locked its radar for four and a half minutes on eight Turkish F-16 jets that were on patrol on their side of the border, in apparent preparation to open fire.” (“US, NATO step up threats to Russia over Syria“, World Socialist Web Site)

This was no mistake. The only time a fighter pilot adopts these protocols is when he plans to take down an enemy plane. This was a message, and while it might have been over-the-heads of the politicians and the media but, I assure you, every general in the Turkish High-Command knows what’s it means. This is a wake-up call. Moscow is indicating that there’s a new sheriff in town and that Turkey had better behave itself or there’s going to be trouble. There’s not going to be any US-Turkey no-fly zone over North Syria, there’s not going to be any aerial attacks on Syrian sites from the Turkish side of the border, and there certainly is not going to be any ground invasion of Turkish troops into Syria. The Russian Aerospace Defence Forces now control the skies over Syria and they are determined to defend Syria’s sovereign borders. That’s the message. Period.

Here we have a situation where Russia means business. It now has a serious military challenge and it aint going to be messing around with any Turkish or NATO interference in its sphere of influence.

Russia is LEGALLY inside of Syria protecting the LEGAL borders of the Syrian country

So it made a mistake and 2 plains found themselves inside Turkish territory
Turkey and NATO started to bluster and send all kinds of wolf tickets to Russia

Big F_____ deal It was a navigation error...It happens

Then what happens?
The US MISTAKELY killed 22 innocent civilians IN A MISTAKE on the Doctors without borders hospital

Amazing how every time the US opens its mouth something happens to expose them as hypocrites, liars, and double dealing snakes

Bottom line: the hell with Turkey…their the ones partially responsible for all this mess in Syria by its megalomaniacal president Erdorgan who thinks he’s the new Sultan.

Now they'll be no, NO FLY ZONE in Syria, something Hillary and war monger McCain have been screeching for

Bottom line...there's a new Sherriff in Town...and his name is Vladimir Putin!

I don't care what you believe at all about Russia or the grand orchastration being fiddled by the media giants, which let's not forget, are corporately owned and pyramid to the same owners... or are some refugee Syrian guy in a #ty apartment.

Vladimir Putin is the man, and he is very entertaining to observe in this orchastrating chess match

So were the reports of Turkey shooting this Russian plane down false? I wouldn't claim to be the new law of the land if the Russians target locked for intimidation or identification purposes then were engaged and shot down. Would be perfectly legal under international law as well.

Very interesting dynamics. Turks are known to be very hot-headed when it comes to territory. You'll have businessmen go ballistic because someone cheated them in a contract or cut them off in the road.

With Russia, whatever you do to them, they'll do to you. One time one Arab fighter group seized a good few generals from the Russian embassy, and killed one to send a message. The Russians responded by seizing five generals of that fighter group and killed one of them.

originally posted by: Vector99
So were the reports of Turkey shooting this Russian plane down false? I wouldn't claim to be the new law of the land if the Russians target locked for intimidation or identification purposes then were engaged and shot down. Would be perfectly legal under international law as well.

"unconfirmed reports on social media" was the source that you are using for that...

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: Vector99
So were the reports of Turkey shooting this Russian plane down false? I wouldn't claim to be the new law of the land if the Russians target locked for intimidation or identification purposes then were engaged and shot down. Would be perfectly legal under international law as well.

"unconfirmed reports on social media" was the source that you are using for that...

And LOTS of news sources are carrying it. Yet no official confirmation or denial, so yea, it's entirely possible it happened.

So wait are the Russians the victim of the aggressive Turks because they accidentally crossed the border and were chased off and at the same time the aggressive new sheriff in town locking on to a Russian plane? Russia has a small air expeditionary force in Syria that is maintain though vital air corridors. It is surrounded on every side by vastly superior air power that could cut its corridors with ease. The Russians are not going to provoke anybody that can shut them down overnight in Syria.

Russia is using the same tactic in Syria as it did in Georgia and Ukraine. It is going carve out small area with an ethnic minority that loyal to Assad and easy to defend. Hit the other rebels around Syria so ISIS takes most everything else and create a problem for Turkey, Israel and the Arab States who will now have defacto ISIS state on their borders. This is why the Russian hit the rebels that holding back ISIS from Aleppo so ISIS could advance on the city and this is why they are pushing to secure the Alawite areas that have been under threat. This has been Russias MO for some time. Small defensible area with a loyal ethnic minority and then sew chaos in the rest of the country.

originally posted by: Vector99
And LOTS of news sources are carrying it. Yet no official confirmation or denial, so yea, it's entirely possible it happened.

Iff it did happen, that this particular plane crashed too far inside Syria to have it been shot inside Turkey.

Not entirely unlikely, that Turkey sent jets over the border and engaged. We'll know soon enough, as if they did ... some of theirs will end up shot down in a short while.

My take, is this isn't true.

As a former missile tech in the US navy (on the SM2 system), this is not nearly as rare an incident as the article would have you believe. We often locked onto Russian jets that flew near our ship, just to put them on notice. "Nice to see ya! You're now in the presence of a US warship! Dosvedanya!" (I'm sure our pilots received the same treatment).

a reply to: Willtell

It now has a serious military challenge and it aint going to be messing around with any Turkish or NATO interference in its sphere of influence.

You have no "sphere of influence." Just intimidation from a half punk who bullies your neighbors. And, by the way, Turkey would turn puny, weak russiens into mulch....We'd (US) would turn them into vapor.

a reply to: MrSpad

You should just ban them they are pro Russian propaganda supporters period.

originally posted by: bjarneorn

originally posted by: Vector99
And LOTS of news sources are carrying it. Yet no official confirmation or denial, so yea, it's entirely possible it happened.

Iff it did happen, that this particular plane crashed too far inside Syria to have it been shot inside Turkey.

Not entirely unlikely, that Turkey sent jets over the border and engaged. We'll know soon enough, as if they did ... some of theirs will end up shot down in a short while.

My take, is this isn't true.

It's entirely possible the Russian aircraft was in Syrian airspace and the Turkish aircrafts were in Turkish airspace. Missiles and all ya know. Making an engagement move such as radar lock would justify lethal response from either side of the border.

It's also likely (and a slight theory of mine) that if true is will be suppressed and denied by Russia. They are there more for show than actual warfare, they don't want to seem like Obama with his "red lines" but never following through.

People would expect Russia to become extremely more aggressive if they were getting shot down.

a reply to: Willtell

Great we replace the jerk from Turkey with the jerk from Russia because the jerk from the U.S.is...well a Jerk.

Glad we got this sorted out...

originally posted by: donktheclown
a reply to: Willtell

It now has a serious military challenge and it aint going to be messing around with any Turkish or NATO interference in its sphere of influence.

You have no "sphere of influence." Just intimidation from a half punk who bullies your neighbors. And, by the way, Turkey would turn puny, weak russiens into mulch....We'd (US) would turn them into vapor.

Yeah Napolian and Hitler said the exact same thing about Russia! And at that time they too were the most advanced armies on the world!

Learn from history and do not poke the bear!

a reply to: Willtell

Until Russia actually fires on Turkey, they just need to CALM DOWN.

Has anyone looked at the border? It's not exactly a straight line and I'm pretty sure there are no 'You're now leaving Syria' signposts at several thousand feet. A split second navigation error can result in a crossover of many miles given the speed those jets fly at.

a reply to: Willtell

First of all who reads the "World Socialist Web Site"? and second who gives a dump what they say.

I have been locked on with "ready to fire" warnings many many times and never a missile flew. The old system we had would tell you if it was radar guided AAA or even the type of missile/battery that had the lock on.

America and it's puppets have been caught red handed with their grubby fingers in the "overthrow another regime" cookie jar.. They might be lucky to get their hand back with fingers still attached; especially the Turks and their safe zones for the insurgents and ISIS.

We all sat watching ISIS gain ground and territory for over a year... Nothing the west could effectively do about it.. IMO it was due to lack of effort and not wanting to harm the puppets...

Russia is conducting an op that seems to be hitting ISIS and anyone else who wants to turn Syria into another rudderless land of pure chaos and mayhem. Turkey even though they are supposedly part of NATO might want to rethink their policies and procedures; especially when providing a safe haven for radicals and insurgents..


At least supposedly America has said they will stop funding and training the so called freedom fighters.. Probably not a drop in the bucket if you consider Saudi Arabia (plus others) and their goals for the region. Last I heard there were training camps in Jordan (also) which we have not heard much about. I think VICE news did a video on one of the camps in Jordan and it was a fully functional high dollar affair...

I hope the oligarchy directed state department buffoons and politicos lose their frigging jobs over some of this mess.... Unfortunately not soon enough to save all the lives already lost and the mayhem coming to Europe and other countries by the flood of sand people wanting sanctuary .

I live overseas so some of the stuff I read are from another countries perspective.. The general feeling I get from other sources (true or not) America has damaged its' leadership roll in the eyes of many neutral nations and will have a hard time claiming the high ground in world affairs for years to come...

Russia, China and even India have signed a new defense agreement.. India !! All because of the mismanagement of our foreign policies over the decades.

The old, "you made your bed now you get to wallow in it" comes to mind....

As others have said Saudi Arabia should have been drug through the mud after 9/11.. Yet, nadda, they are still funding Wahhabist mosque and ideology around the world with the blessings of the west.. Money talks, no ?

It's hard not to love Tootin' lootin' shootin' Putin. It won't be long until those mid easters are begging to have Sheriff Bush back in town.

I think Turkey and Russia will end up in a war over Syria and NATO will do at is always done, nuuuuuuthin but talk

My gramdfather was born in Turkey. His great uncle was Minister of finance in Turkey. We left in 1910, just in time. I hope Putin does more then lock on to Turkist jets

a reply to: visitedbythem

I wonder if roast Turkey will be on the menu for Christmas courtesy of Vlad the Impaler 2.0. I like my Turkey cooked at 300 million degrees Celsius. If it wasn't a real chance of happening I probably wouldn't feel so bad joking about this