US Pulling Out Patriot Missiles From Turkey And Aircraft Carrier Out Of Persian Gulf

a reply to: spy66

Sometimes, as much as you think the US is the most evil entity in the world that lies about if the sun will come up tomorrow, things are what they appear.

You can't operate a ship for 9 months, 24/7 and not expect it to require maintenance. And you don't tell a crew they're going home and then keep them out longer for no reason.

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: spy66

So they knew in July that Russia was deploying to Syria. Sure. Oh I forgot. Anything the US says, the opposite is the truth because they're evil and lie about everything.

The Roosevelt has been at sea for most of a year running continuous operations. That means it requires work.

No, they didnt. The US never saw this comming, thats for sure.

But it is odd that they would pull their carrier right now when tention is this high. The US are not happy that Russia is pounding their proxis...and flying circles around them up there.

you seem to have reading comprehension issues, this has been the plan long before Russia came in.......

how is this hard to understand

a reply to: Zaphod58
Some people don't know that salt water and metal don't go well together.

a reply to: Tarzan the apeman.

I feel bad for the crew. Apparently part of the reason for the timing is they're heading to a joint exercise with Japan and India on their way home. The Carrier Force is all screwed up right now. They just did a three carrier swap with the Washington going to LANTFLT, and her midlife overhaul, the Reagan takes her place in Japan as the forward deployed hull, and Roosevelt takes the place of Reagan in California, swapping her to PACFLT.

And between all that, they're swapping crews between all three so they don't have to move around their families. So they are moving over 1600 sailors from Reagan to Washington to sail her to the East Coast, then they fly back to San Diego to join Roosevelt when she arrives. Then the Roosevelt crew members will head to the east coast to join Washington after arriving in California.

Since we’re all makin’ stuff up, I guess I’ll throw in my 2 cents. My comments aren’t about the Roosevelt or the Patriot missle deployment specifically, but more about the recent Russian involvement in Syria and a worse case scenario. I’ve got nothing to backup any of this; just my imagination from what little I’ve read.

To begin with, Vladamir Putin’s feeling a little mischievous these days. Crimea and the Ukraine were fun, but the rewards were limited, and now he’s ready to up the ante. Taking over the M.E. might make a nice trophy, and standing alongside Assad and Iran could be the key to making it all happen. The U.S. and it’s allies have done a bangup job softening up and destablizing the region, and now it’s ripe for the taking.

Destroying Israel isn’t really part of Putin’s plan, but Iran’s intent isn’t so clear. In any event, though, one or more of their allies would likely find the idea appealing. Israel, of course, is keeping a close eye on events, and if tested may feel it has nothing to lose. This is definitely a hotspot.

The Russian invasion, and ensuing chaos and mayhem, will serve to ignite the entire M.E. region. NATO will not know how to appropriately respond, as the global balance of power is thrown completely out of kilter. Death and destruction will rain down unlike the World has ever seen, as the situation rapidly intensifies. Even Putin is beginning to have second thoughts at this point, but it’s too late to turn back.

Somewhere along the way, amidst the insanity, the 1st nuke lights up the sky. Then another, as Damascus is consumed in a furious fireball. This is the point of no return. The war is no longer just a Syrian, or middle-eastern, conflict. It now spreads quickly into Europe and Asia. And soon to follow, we are all inevitably sucked into a full-blown global thermonuclear war.

Exit Mankind. The King is dead...

Sorry, got a little carried away there. I doubt the above will happen anytime soon. But, who knows? With things as unstable as they are these days, most anything could happen.

Peace...

Yeah something is up, and it's called cowardice.

The West has basically seceded the middle east to Russia, and China.

a reply to: neo96

Yes, it's much more important that we push our equipment until it fails so people don't think we're cowards.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Agreed.

It's time and past to let them settle it themselves. Either by sitting down and talking it out before too many die, though too many have already died...

Or...

They annihilate each other in a welter of blood and gore.

The rest of the world has screwed it up sufficiently for the next few lifetimes.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Last time I checked the US has more than one aircraft carrier.

And we're not the only ones that do have them.

Same with missile batteries.

a reply to: neo96

And have you bothered to look at where they are and what they're doing? The Navy pushed their maintenance back so long that over half the fleet is either in maintenance, moving to new home ports, heading to maintenance, or in workups. The rest of them are on other missions.

The only other carrier even close to on par with ours is the French carrier, all one of them.

a reply to: Zaphod58 this location is just about the hottest on the planet for naval forces. if it was just scheduled maintenance, another carrier group would be there now.

a reply to: darkstar57

What part of "there is no other carrier group" isn't clear? I've only said that several times now.

Nimitz: 16 month maintenance cycle started in Jan
Eisenhower: Workups, including F-35C testing
Carl Vinson: 6 month PIA started August
Roosevelt: Departed Gulf
Lincoln: RCOH until November 2016
George Washington: Transiting to LANTFLT for midlife overhaul
John Stennis: Post COMPTUEX
Truman: COMPTUEX completed 30 Sept, in WESTLANT
Reagan: Transited to new home port
Bush: 9 month PIA started in June

There are currently three carriers even close to available. One of those three is in transit home.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I foresaw this line of disbelief when I asked you about this a couple pages back. I figured I wouldn't be the only one thinking along the same lines that I was. Unfortunately, people just can't accept an obvious explanation.

It's no secret, and should be fairly obvious, that these carrier groups would be far behind their maintenance schedules. I don't see anything strange about a prior scheduled maintenance being carried out. It's understandable that there's only so long you can put that kind of thing off before it becomes a hazard to everyone on the ship.

a reply to: EternalSolace

Exactly. The Navy has repeatedly pushed their maintenance back over and over, even on the escorts. The only thing with the escorts is that there are a lot more of them so they can spread them out a lot more, and they don't require as long a maintenance period.

originally posted by: darkstar57
a reply to: Zaphod58 this location is just about the hottest on the planet for naval forces. if it was just scheduled maintenance, another carrier group would be there now.

You are also aware you can fly the jets from the well established land bases now, America has got realestate on terra firma in the area so they don't need to rush a carrier in there. As Zaphod also pointed out.

I believe it was Napoleon Bonaparte who said:
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."

if Russia wants to dive headfirst into the middle east cesspool then nato certainly shouldn`t interfere.

originally posted by: GroidNificent
Maybe the US knows the jig is up. Russia has done more in 72 hours than the US has done in 1+ years. We all know that ISIS is funded and armed by the US .Russia knows to......

Seriously..?

Do you actually have any physical proof of this (YouTube and opinions do not count as physical proof).

Oh, hang on...

Sorry, I forgot where I was..lol

Of course the US government is funding them. They are also behind all the mass shootings, Super storms, Volcanoes, earthquakes, mass animal die-offs, every fart that goes off anywhere across the globe is a part of some US conspiracy to quicken climate change and to top it off, the US government is in control of the all the worlds drug cartels.

They are truly evil and must fall..

/sarcasm off

a reply to: Zaphod58Any admiral worth his salt will allocate carrier groups at least a year in advance..and the Syrian confrontation involving Russia Iran and China in the background along with the BRICs banking system confronting the RKM (Rothschild Kazarian Mafia) has been coming for years...
Now to the point. the real reason for the carrier withdrawal is the 3m-14 aka ss-n-30. This is a high speed cruise missile that can go supersonic approaching target. Many were launched at ISIS targets recently. But what is important is that they can also be anti ship as well as ground attack. here is the link. acommediausa.com... . the article indicates it may be a 3m-14e klub. one variant has a 2500 km range. that 27 were launched from the Caspian sea indicates 27 could also be launched against a US carrier group...and an admiral would recognize that he must neutralize any potential launch location before launch or lose a carrier.
Obamas gang did not give permission. Hence withdrawal . Maintenance be d....med.
And, lurking in the back of any admirals mind...is Israels great loyalty and respect for the US Navy, indicated by the attempted sinking of the USS Liberty.....and that John McCain, father an admiral, is Israel's stooge.

a reply to: darkstar57

Yes of course, you know better. All these stories about the Navy neglecting maintenance for the last few years because of budget cuts and operations tempos are just utter BS that they planted. The Navy are really total cowards who are terrified of losing a carrier. Everyone knows ships don't need regular maintenance, and when they do get work done, it never goes over schedule. I'm so glad we have you guys around to set the record straight.

a reply to: Tardacus

Yup.

You'd think Afghanistan would have taught that lesson in such a fashion as to never be repeated. 'course, we thought that after Vietnam, too... Look how well we took that lesson to heart.