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Are Our Leaders Criminals and Satanists?

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posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 08:00 AM
I was responding to your signature, your manner of speaking, and your argumentation. I believe I did so without dishonoring you.

There's a way of being in the world that exudes certainty. The current leadership tries to make us believe they have it; but looking at the record, they have certainty without having honesty.

You remind me of someone who was both honest and certain; and he got in lotsa trouble for that.

[edit on 3-1-2005 by defrag99]

posted on Jan, 5 2005 @ 05:17 PM
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Yes we were wrong not Satanists, but more likely a Babylonian death cult

I don't personally believe everyone at the grove believes in this stuff, just like I don't believe everyone who goes to church really believes in what the church is all about either, but I still call it a religion.


The Bohemian Grove is a 2900 acre redwood forest, located in Monte Rio, California, on the south shore of the Russian River. It contains accomodation for 3000 people to "camp" in luxury. It is owned by the Bohemian Club.
The Bohemian Club is a private, all male club that is headquartered in the Bohemian building in San Francisco. It was formed in 1872 by men who sought shelter from the frontier culture (or lack thereof).

The Club has evolved into an association of rich and powerful men, mostly of this country (there are similar organizations in other countries). Some artists are allowed to join (often at reduced rates) because of their social status and entertainment value. The membership list has included every Republican US president (as well as some Democrats) since 1923, many cabinet officials, and directorss and CEOs of large corporations, including major financial institutions.

Major military contractors, oil companies, banks (including the Federal Reserve), utilities (including nuclear power), and national media (broadcast and print) have high-ranking officials as club members or guests. Many members are, or have been, on the board of directors of several of these corporations. You should note that most of the above industries depend heavily on a relationship with government for their profitability.

The members stay in different camps at the Grove, which have varying status levels. Members and frequent guests of the most prestigious camp (Mandalay) include: Henry Kissinger, George Schultz, S.D. Bechtel, Jr., Thomas Watson, Jr., (IBM), Phillip Hawley (B of A), William Casey (CIA), and Ralph Bailey (Dupont). George Bush resides in a less prestigious camp (Hillbillies) with A.W. Clausen (World Bank), Walter Cronkite, and William F. Buckley.

The grove is the site of a two week retreat every July (as well as other smaller get-togethers throughout the year). At these retreats, the members commune with nature in a truly original way. They drink heavily from morning through the night, bask in their freedom to urinate in the redwoods, and perform pagan rituals (including the "Cremation of Care," in which the members, wearing red-hooded robes, cremate a coffin effigy of "Dull Care" at the base of a 40 foot owl altar). The ceremony involves the burning of "Dull Care" who symbolizes the burdens and responsibilities these harried Bohemians now wish to shed temporarily. More than 100 Bohemians take part in the ceremony as priests, acolytes, torch bearers, brazier bearers, boatmen, and woodland voices, but despite many flowery speeches, they can't get the fire started. The perplexed Bohemians must turn to the mighty Owl for advice: "O thou, great symbol of all mortal wisdom, Owl of Bohemia, we do beseech thee, grant us thy counsel," intones the High Priest. An aura of light creates a glow around the Owl's head, and then the big bird reveals its wisdom. The High Priest must light the pyre with the flame from the Lamp of Fellowship, located conveniently on the "Altar of Bohemia" at the base of the Shrine...
-- William Domhoff, The Progressive, January 1981.

This ceremony resembles the ancient Canaanite worship of the idol, Molech. Like the Owl of Bohemia, the ancient Ammonite idol Molech was a towering larger-than-life edifice. Whereas Owl is solid, the bronze Molech was hollow. Molech worship consisted of the ritualized sacrifice of the first-born infant son of every Ammonite newlywed family. Building a fire in the belly of the beast until the flames poured out of the mouth, the high priest mounted a scaffold and tossed the first born male child into an aperture in Molech's chest, to the incantation of drums and droned liturgy of the priests of Molech.

Technically, Owl worship, as it is practiced in the Grove, is somewhat different from Molech worship. Peter Weiss, writing in Spy Magazine, November 1989, states, "Bohemian Club literature -- boasts that the Cremation of Care ceremony derives from Druid rites, medieval Christian liturgy, the Book of Common Prayer, Shakespearean drama, and nineteenth-century Amerindan lodge rites." Is this the straight goods, or is it sugar coated PR covering a darker sacrificial rite, terrifying even on a symbolic level?

John DeCamp's book, The Franklin Cover-Up, includes Paul Bonacci's testimony about a snuff film of a child being murdered on July 26, 1984 in California in "an area that had big trees." At a meeting in Santa Rosa, DeCamp told a group that the had edited out Bonacci's references to an enormous, moss-covered owl and men in hooded red robes because he did not know then about the owl at the Grove and thought it "too far fetched for people to believe." In the fall of 1992 Paul was shown a black and white photo of the white photo of the moss covered owl at the Grove and quickly identified it as the site of the July 1984 snuff film described in DeCamp's book. Although this testimony has been available to law enforcement officials since mid-October 1992, no official investigation has been made. A casket christened "Dull Care" and borne, like the passing of Arthur, in a boat across the lake could be a symbol, also not only of the "cares of this world," but of caring itself. The denizens of the Grove, as a collective body, are the ruling class and upper echelon bagmen who make and orchestrate war -- the modern Molech. It would make sense to immolate caring, conscience and the consequences of their business transactions, lest they take responsibility for millions of souls around the globe whose lives have been affected by wars of Yankee imperialism in the twentieth century.

The existence of a pagan cult among the power elite at Bohemian Grove contradicts the media portrayal of a Republican Party "taken over" by the Moral Majority right wing. The Pat Robertsons and Jerry Falwells have not taken over the Republican Party because the power elite -- amoral and always bi-partisan -- have been using the religious right as "useful idiots," to borrow Lenin's phrase, in the longterm manipulation of the masses into accepting the "New Paradigm," which is nothing more than the social liturgy of the high priests of the New World Order. They would willingly sacrifice the whole world on the altar of the economic hegemony of multinational cartels.

The world that the plutocrats are attempting to bring to birth is far more Babylonian and pagan than Christian. The twenty-year alliance between the Christian Right and the Republican Party, so useful in its day in accomplishing the economic agenda of the power elite during the Reagan-Bush era, will increasingly become the fall guys and flack men for their ruling class masters, as the dialecticians maneuver the armies of the night into the battle formations of the Final Conflict.

The ruling class is certain that by convincing the Left and the Christian Right that each other is the main enemy, they can orchestrate a crescendo of conflict between both camps, knock both out, and eliminate substantial sectors of resistance to the New World Order in the process. The denizens of the Grove are well aware of the critical path of the nineties. After inducing the various elements of the opposition to fall upon each other, they expect to be able to continue their sacrifices in peace, in their corporate-feudal Shangri-La, the new world they are earnestly bringing to birth, the new age in which ritual sacrificing of live humans shall be considered normal and healthy.

Some 20% engage in homosexual activity (but few of them support gay rights or AIDS research). They watch (and participate in) plays and comedy shows in which women are portrayed by male actors. Although women are not allowed in the Grove, members often leave at night to enjoy the company of many prostitutes and mind controlled sex slaves who come from around the world for this event. Is this hard to believe? Employees of the Grove have said that no verbal description can accurately portray the bizarre behavior of the Grove's inhabitants.

Besides this type of merriment, the annual gathering serves as an informational clearing house for the elite. The most powerful men in the country do their "networking" here, despite the Grove's motto "weaving spiders, come not here" (don't do business in the Grove). At these gatherings, men representing the government, military-industrial and financial sectors meet and make policy decisions. The Manhattan Project, which produced the first atomic bomb, was conceived in the Grove in 1939. Other decisions made at the Grove include who our presidential candidates will be. There are speeches, known as "Lakeside Talks," wherein high-ranking officials disseminate information which is not available to the public at large.

What are the topics of discussion at the "Lakeside Talks"?
The 1991 talks included:

Joseph Califano HEW Secretary, Carter Administration "America's Health Care Revolution: Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Pays"
Helmut Schmidt Former German Prime Minister "The Enormous Problems of the 21st Century"
Elliot Richardson Nixon & Reagan Administrations "Defining a New World Order"
John Lehman Secretary of the Navy/Reagan Administration "Smart Weapons"
Richard Cheney Present Secretary of Defense "Major Defense Problems of the 21st Century"
When powerful people work together, they become even more powerful. The Grove membership is wealthy, and becoming more so, while the middle class is steadily becoming poorer. This close-knit group determines whether prices rise or fall (by their control of the banking system, money supply, and markets) and they make money whichever way the markets fluctuate. They determine what our rights are and which laws have effect, and then selling candidates to us via the media which they own. Important issues and facts are omitted from discussion in the press, or slanted to suit their goals, but they are discussed frankly at the Grove. Is there true democracy when so much power is concentrated in so few hands? Is there any real difference between the public and private sectors when cabinet members come from the boardrooms of large corporations? Is the spending of billions of dollars on weapons, which are by consensus no longer needed, really the will of the people? Or is it the will of General Electric, General Dynamics, and the other weapons contractors represented at the Grove?
Educate yourself about the Grove and its inhabitants and the true nature of the power structure in the world. Then educate your friends. Don't take my word for it.

Since most major newspapers and broadcast stations are owned by "insiders," be wary of everything you hear in the press. If you can, participate in protest activities during the July retreat.

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posted on Jan, 5 2005 @ 07:03 PM

Earl Warren becoming potentate

Members of the class of 1912, University of California, Berkeley, California, at Bohemian Grove, August 2, 1941. Left to right, front row: Earl Warren, Roy Shurtleff, Newton B. Drury, Mila (?) Robbins, Herman Phleger. Back row: Harold Chase, C. Nelson Hackett, Harold Fletcher, James B. Black, Joe. J. Sweet, Farnham P. Griffiths. Honorary member of Class of 1912. - Admiralty Lawyer, S. F. [San Francisco], Rhodes Scholar - Former Secretary to the President, University of California.

posted on Jan, 5 2005 @ 09:18 PM
That piece of broken rock is supposed to look like an owl?

[edit on 1-5-2005 by WaStEdDeAtH777]

posted on Jan, 5 2005 @ 09:45 PM
there's no accounting for taste

posted on Jan, 5 2005 @ 09:55 PM
The finest satanic cult around.

Thanks for the pictures.


posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 05:41 PM
Satanist does very well as a definition of the practices
It should be remembered that the practice is in some way neutral
It is only the purposes to which the energies are put that are in some way good or evil
So the abuse or/and killing of virginal children will produce extra power to the practitioner - natural law though with its own karmic consequences
Satanic is sometimes regarded as the opposition to Christianity, though it would be better to regard all organised religions as offshoots of Satanism
The opposite of Satanism is better though vaguely expressed as Universal/unconditional Love
That's how the neocons and the New Ageist Blairs, who like to holiday in the Valley of the Kings after their serpent rebirthing experience in Mexico, accommodate Christianity and Satanism at the same time
Some typical cyclical events -Prince William induced for the summer solstice, 'shock and awe' initial phase of the attack on Iraq reserved for the Spring Equinox, Bam and tsunami events marking the termination of the winter solstice - plenty of numerological symbolism around 3, 6, 9, 11
Remember those attacks against British interests in Turkey when Bush rited it with the relatives at Buckingham Palace
Ritual sacrifices on a global level
Remember how you can join the dots of the Beltway killings to form a pentagram - they don't just do it in there, they do it out here

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