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originally posted by: Shiloh7
You mention the conquest of Jerusalem by the Babylonians as the most formidable judgement of God. Really?
Most people don't realise that history tells us exactly who owned what land.
Jerusalem stood on land owned by King Nebuchazzar and was sacked in 597 BC because for the second year running the King of the jews refused to pay his taxes.
originally posted by: Shiloh7
Babylon was not a 'new state in a strict sense, Assyria merely segued into Babylon.
There was, as you say no moral right, its just how things were the big power bullying the little, but the Israelites had been paying tribute for quite some time
If you add that their own prophet Jeremiah had warned them about this, then there was no excuse except arrogance
God hasn't been around in millennia. Its the power of man that dictates who does what - miracles and sightings of angels/gods have only happened in very remove times and very remote places. Its hardly the basis for legitimate argument as to state assets.
originally posted by: Shiloh7
I fail to see why you take such exception to the fact that Nebuchadnezzar considered he owned Jerusalem as part of his empire
There was, as you say no moral right, its just how things were the big power bullying the little
If you check the reference I gave you will see the map of the extent of the Assyrian/Babylonian Empire it stretched into Egypt so obviously took in all of Israel and Judah.
I thought it obvious that the Assyrians segued into the Babylonians. Assyria didn't lie devastated or destroyed, especially without her conquered lands. She was not at some later time rebuilt and resettled again by the babylonians - they merely took over and acquired as spoils all conquered lands and city states which gave them the right to the tributes Assyria had won and been taking regularly.
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
but OT is not for today. If you do start there then people will fall back on it.
This is why the way of the master has been nothing but a bondage maker and not liberation in Christ. Many who started with way of the master program have ended up in Yahweh/Yeshua cults. These are those who want to use a Hebrew pronunciation of those names and observances to the law like tithing, sabbath just to name a few..
originally posted by: DeathSlayer
I wished you had went into detail showing the price people paid for those sins. A warning to those who walk after the flesh...
What I am doing in this series is gradually building up the case that "The Atonement in Christ is necessary because the Old Testament answers do not work".