Let's round up all the illegal immigrants!

a reply to: Sunwolf

Ah. There it is. When they breathe and start costing money, they are no longer babies that need to be protected.

Rounding up families with babies and children and sending them to nowhere has nothing to do with abortion.

When companies and corporations stop hiring illegals for cheap labor; they will stop coming.

Think that's going to happen? Of course not.... The profit motive reigns supreme in a culture of corporate institutionalized greed.

The Latinos are just a convenient scapegoat for the Right wing trying to lure converts to their ideological agenda...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Night Star

Ok.
That's why there are no heroin addicts. Right?
www.google.com...

That's why there are no murderers, rapists, thieves, tax dodgers, etc. Oh wait...

So should we get rid of all laws because they obviously don't work?

Funny how Conservatives have no issue with cutting foods stamps, eliminating subsidized housing, and medicaid....but yet in threads about illegal immigraiton they suddenly turn into socialists demanding we take care of our poor, homeless and veterans.

I learned from this thread that all illegal immigrants are hard working upstanding human beings that all have a hungry family to feed and are eternally grateful to their host nation. All of them, without exceptions.

oh - kayyyy

a reply to: daskakik

A lot of people here have made statements similar to this claim that legal immigrants have no problem with granting illegal immigrants amnesty. (Not trying to single you out, just you responded to me directly and it was an easy post for me to remember to come back to. Nothing personal.)

Well, I did some researching on this. Here are some excerpts from a Huffington Post article titled "A Legal Immigrant's Take on Illegal Immigration" (May 10, 2011).

While a permanent resident, I am here as a guest, and my carrying my "greencard" is a reasonable step on the path to becoming a proud American -- "reasonable" because any nation needs to know whom it lets in, as part of its responsibility to the security of its citizens

I would tell the Committee [Congressional Committee on Immigration] that the immigration problem is not so difficult to solve. Secure the border simply because security is the first duty of government, and then do the following.

First, prohibit anyone who has committed a visa/immigration violation from ever becoming a permanent resident (and therefore citizen) of the country...

Second, limit family-based immigration to immediate family only. Allow a new citizen to sponsor only his spouse and children into the country - and perhaps, if he can prove the means to support them, elderly parents when they need care. No more uncles, aunties, cousins, grandmothers etc...

Third, send a test case to the supreme court regarding the 14th amendment... This amendment was passed in 1868 to ensure that all persons, including slaves and their progeny, could be citizens of the nation. Children of diplomats, foreign visitors or similar aliens are not included. Nor was the amendment intended to extend to children of illegal immigrants who perhaps more than any, are not subject to the jurisdiction of this country.

Or how about this article from the conservative blog America's Right titled "A Legal Immigrant’s Anti-Illegal Immigration View" (May 11, 2010)

As an immigrant we often see a different side of the legal versus illegal immigration debate. We have a unique view of what it feels like to not be a naturally born citizen. We have a unique view into why some people work so hard to be able to come, live, and work here...

My parents worked hard their whole lives to come here legally. They did that because they love this country enough to respect her laws. To respect her need to secure her border. To respect her desire to protect her own against those who wish to bring harm into her lands.

My point is not that you're wrong. I know that there are legal immigrants who have no problem with illegal immigration. My point is that just because none of the people you have known have no problem with it, doesn't mean that all legal immigrants are okay with it.

originally posted by: TsukiLunar
Let's do it! Round them up and give them citizenship! Way it won't be illegal anymore. And the ones that commit crimes will be arrested and I guess the right can put them in prison.

How about we simply arrest them for the crime they violated in the first place, which was entering our country illegally and deport them? How is it that the crime of crossing an internationally recognized border illegally is somehow not a crime?

I also think that if we get them all in one place we could acknowledge their existence as human beings, instead of just statistics or ideas. You know, abstract titles like "anchor baby" and "border hopper" are not things that actually exist. You are literally referring to nothing when you say it.

Anchor Baby and Border Hopper, neither are not abstract titles. They are really rather explicit. Just as Criminal is. Convict is another. As is fugitive. As is Felon.

All this hold up is meaningless. We could be improving the lives of people, instead they abandon towns in the darkness of night to run from us. And they still prefer that over their other country.

I am ALL for improving the lives of others. Of others who obey our laws, just as I do.

I am a law abiding citizen. Why in the holy F&CK should I extend any courtesy or consideration for someone who wants something from my pocket (yes, my tax dollars that go into the social pool) but came here violating the very rules that I follow routinely to ask for that?

Where is the empathy?

I'm sorry. No empathy. My friends. My family. My fellow citizens. These people have my empathy.

Want my empathy? Do things the RIGHT way. Then....you have all my empathy. And, I'll do what I can to help you.

Otherwise, not a chance in hell, border hopper / anchor baby / illegal alien.

Amnesty, sure. But why the rounding up?

Just give them all a chance to come in and declare their intent to become citizens, through the remainder of the process, or get real work visas, and those who don't...well intensify efforts on that smaller pool and off they go.

originally posted by: cmdrkeenkid
What about the hundreds, thousands, and more of people who have immigrated to the United States legally? The people who have given blood, sweat, tears, and years of their lives to become American citizens the legal way? Are you really that apt to just spit in their faces?

Let's round them up, sure. But send them back.

Why is that a spit in the face?

I'm sure most if not all of them would understand.

So no real reason on why we can't give them citizenship? Okay conservative you like "THE LAW" as it is. I don't. Opnions! Anyways I stills saye we could be the bigger man and instead of just locking them away we could give them a better life.

But no the good Christian right doesn't want that. Funny how the liberal child killers are the ones who demonstrate compassion, amirite?

a reply to: TsukiLunar

I am not at odds with helping immigrants, lets let them live here and have jobs. But ONLY after we have helped EVERY American who is in need first. And ONLY if its not at the expense of people who live here and are citizens.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Amnesty, sure. But why the rounding up? 

So we could see them an demonstrate that they are people! Duh!

a reply to: openminded2011

Let's do both!

a reply to: TsukiLunar

They can have US citizenship on the premise they disband the country of Mexico and become the 51st state.


Edit: a reply to: MOMof3

I was thinking more along the lines of increased tax revenue and the complete destruction of the cartels.

a reply to: EternalSolace

I have always thought that was a good idea. Mexico as part of the US. I would love to travel or live there more than Canada, geographically speaking.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: blondegiraffe

I think lives are more important than money, don't you?

The "illegals" risk their lives coming over here. I think the fact that people have the money to buy citizenship is an insult to the people who almost die coming here.

If you don't think the non-documented work hard, you haven't been paying attention.

I have worked beside and known illegals for many years. Not a single one risked their lives to get here.
As for illegals being hard workers, they did not work any harder than any citizen. Both illegal and legal people had their hard workers and slackers.

As for lives being more important than money, why aren't you concerned about the lives of our poor citizens who get turned away from a job because hiring an illegal at sub standard wages is cheaper for a company?? Do their lives not matter?

a reply to: MOMof3

If Mexico ever became a safe place for families, the revenue would increase significantly from tourism or buying property and probably creating jobs at same time.

I worked with many mexicans in Moses Lake WA as a CNA. They would gladly stay in Mexico if a stable life was possible. I asked one mexican woman who came across as a teenager, why don't grow your own food. She said water. For some reason the can't irrigate, I gathered.

a reply to: Night Star

You must be thinking just people from one country.

ETA: The reality is 1.) those who have been here have probably been here at least a decade now as new waves have slowed down tremendously since the mid-2000s and 2.) they're Americans now pretty much. So might aa well get them into the system and be done with it and focus our limited funds on preventing more waves in the future.

originally posted by: Hecate666
I learned from this thread that all illegal immigrants are hard working upstanding human beings that all have a hungry family to feed and are eternally grateful to their host nation. All of them, without exceptions.

oh - kayyyy

oh - reallllly?

Then your reading comprehension lacks in many essential elements.

I learned that....

Illegal immigrants are people just like you and me with all the attributes that humans exhibit, greed, compassion, lazyness, and honor. imo... Your light weight sarcasm exposes your tendency to hyperbole-ism and perhaps a hint of prejudice.

originally posted by: Phage

The law don't work. Congress needs to fix it. But they won't. Why is that?

A robust work visa system would work and pay for itself. Having big fines (enforced) for the companies that use them would stop it the other direction too. No one wants to touch it because there are 30 million voters out there that no one is willing to poke with a stick, so to speak.

Non stop buss services back to Mexico is what we need. No reason to let illegals stay here. Nothing wrong with Mexico they can work there. In fact most American companies are moving our jobs there. They come here to fleece off what we have left and that is that.

Also if they start putting Americans who hire the illegals in jail for 5 years you will see the border problem go away nearly over night.