Michael Jackson not dead?

originally posted by: BlackboxInquiry
Whoa.

Well, I'd say that Dave Dave is *very* similar in several ways.

Wanna find out? DNA test, ready? Go.

As far as the old man - same disguise that he used at Disneyland for years. He'd use that and a mask most times, but at other times not.

Heavy coincidences?

If a bunch of sycophants came at me demanding my dna to prove I wasn't some freak they worshipped, I'd slap the lot of them.

Really slap them, Hard... and give them a look.

originally posted by: 3n19m470
a reply to: jonnywhite

Yeah, people die, even famous people. But, people also fake their deaths. When someone has many very good reasons to do so, And there are strange coincidences involved, it just kinda makes you wonder. Did Micheal Jackson fake his death? I don't know. Did he have the means, motive. and opportunity to do so? Most definitely.

I'd have to say that if the strange coincidences involved have been presented in this thread, then holy buckets...

he's dead guys...

originally posted by: zatara

originally posted by: Signals
Great thread.

Undo, if he were still alive, consider the chance he could be an ATS member....

If so, Springer would know..

Unfortunately Springer is famous for his integrity and would most likely not tell us.

Wouldnt Robbie Williams and Michael jackson get into fights though?

you'll need to keep your jackson on a leash...

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
a reply to: undo

He's alive... yea after seeing this thread im convinced Dave Dave is michael, because of body language, the way he walks and talks.

Honestly, I'd probably had faked my death too if I was him, especially with him whistle blowing.

But but but, please tell me you'd have done it so much better than this, yeah?

Would you don a highly noticeable and attention seeking costume, to evade your predator? I mean, you just went and pissed off the entire illuminati, you want to hide, right? So you wouldnt do it looking like dave dave, and going public and talking exactly like you do now?

You'd do better?

Wouldnt you?

but then... if you're the sort to believe this is in any way real... who knows what makes sense up there.. Oo

a reply to: undo

I don't have any opinion on the videos. I do however think he is someone who had reasons to fake his death.

In my heart I hope he is alive. But alive or diead he will live forever through his beautiful music.

Hitler is alive and spoiling for a long-overdue return...

a reply to: BlackboxInquiry I didn't know he disguised himself to go to Disneyland. I must have lucked out then cuz I was waiting in line at the train/mining caves roller coaster once and the line is in a big zig sagging box surrounded by a vertical log fence. When I got to the side up against the tracks I climbed up to a ledge to smoke without bugging anyone and suddenly everyone is screaming and taking pics of me. After a second of wondering WTF I turned around and Michael was walking toward me (I later learned where I climbed is part of some pass system where you get escorted to the rides without ever waiting in line). He stopped right next to me while people took pictures and I said something like, "you've been a part of every year of my life, I love you!" He said, "Oh wow, why thank you I love you." I asked, "Can I please have a hug?" To which he answered, "Of course you can!" He asked my name, what I did, and made a little small talk before saying God bless you have a good time then continued down the VIP tunnel. I couldn't believe at the time I'd just met the most famous human being to ever walk the face of the earth and he wasn't in a hurry, he seemed sincerely appreciative of my complimenting him which was awesome since he probably lives that same scene a hundred times every day. And he never broke eye contact as we spoke but was completely invested in our conversation and he hugged tight and long like an old friend. I can't imagine his being in costume and losing out on that experience. I better be thankful I'm addicted to stinky smelly cigarettes too since I was the only one NOT stuck nine feet down in a line looking up at the blinding sun and a distant Michael.

Oooh wait, I thought you meant the old white man costume when you said mask. He did have a black handkerchief around his mouth and nose if that's what you meant by mask but he took it off to talk to me and take a picture with me.

imo, he was a weird dude, and his ego-centric mindset would prevent him from employing such a creative solution. He craved attention, so to "disappear" isnt' in his nature.

I'm heartened to see people are still paying attention to this subject. The truth will emerge when the time is right.

originally posted by: 0001391
I'm heartened to see people are still paying attention to this subject. The truth will emerge when the time is right.

We'll be awaiting your return Michael

a reply to: FlyingFox

He did'nt crave attention, he hated doing concerts and appearances, but he had a lot af bills to pay

Perhaps this in Michaels one last epic media prank, making it look like he's sick in a wheel chair is good but making it look like he's still alive would be right down his street.

The man was wonderfully talented but he was also incredibly weird, a stunt like this would be right out of his book.

Leave them guessing even after he's dead....

a reply to: sn0rch

Star just because i love your Avatar! Vikings Rock.. Wooooot! Yessss. haha ok i'm fine... seriously just wanted to let that out. 'smile'.

a reply to: sn0rch

squaring off eh?

notice the tone of the thread is: "something so strange is going on in the story of his death, that it begs the question, is he even dead? " and you come out swinging as if you had a reason to be that insulting. what ? rather than addressing the op, you've decided it's much more conducive to study and research on the topic to just call people stupid.


read the rest of the thread. do you get the impression that your posts are actually addressing the subject matter or do you just enjoy being the bull in the china shop? bad day maybe?

i just saw another video in which a young black woman who was one of his fans, said she was at the hospital when they brought him in on the stretcher from the ambulance. she said, "the guy on the stretcher was too short to be michael." so add her voice to the countless other oddities of the event.

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: undo

Liberian Girl is the key.

director jackson?

Liberia. But not the one you think.

Wow, ok so I actually watched that first video. Having studied his dance and loving his music, I'd say I'm comfortable enouh with his mannerisms. Nothing in the Dave Dave video indicated to me he was Michael. The story he shared sounded genuine and unrehearsed (more or less) and the story is indicative of Michaels behavior.

Figured, a segment meant to share the kindness of Michaels private side used against him. Classic.

Michael was far more camera shy than Dave Dave and he was burned head to toe. That in itself should be telling enough.

in fact, here's a synopsis so far:

-forest lawn cemetary says they never had michael's body, even though that's where his funeral was held and where he was supposedly buried, including an unmarked gravestone.

-the coroner's report has him listed as michael joseph jackson, but his actual middle name is joe, not joseph. that may seem like a technicality since joe is a short version of joseph but fact of the matter is, legal documents must have your actual name, letter for letter.

-an official seal in the footage, either of the usa or the state of california, was modified to contain the incorrect amount of stars around its border, indicating it was a movie not footage.

-several family members and friends said he appeared to be in great health. whereas people involved with his new tour said he was a complete mess, some of whom referred to him as "the freak". i dunno about you but if they were that disparaging of him, i'm not sure (given the amount of money and power involved) i would trust their references to his status. it wreaks of political maneuvering and lots of money changing hands behind the scenes.

-he was a great guy in the press until he won half of sony in a court battle. then suddenly, as if out of nowhere, he was the worst guy since ghengis khan. i ain't buying it.

-a young fan of his allegedly saw his body on the stretcher as it was being rolled into the hospital from the ambulance and says that it was not michael as the body was too short to be michael.

-the only person that could visually identify michael's corpse after his autopsies, was his make up lady. she had been tasked with preparing his body for the casket presentation. she was met with a corpse with no eyes, no brain, hair ripped out, no blood, lips torn up, and various other injuries over his body. how could she even tell it was or wasn't michael? yet it took her 9 hours with 2 other people, preparing his body for viewing and yet the casket was closed. say what?

-it was said in medical documents that he was emaciated, yet his weight while alive was considered healthy and normal. what did they do, weigh him after they drained all his blood?

-all of his family members are talking about him even to this day as if he were still alive, using various present tense references to him during interviews.

-on the day after his death, his own father was striking a record deal and advertising it in public. no grief at all.

-the funeral at forest lawn, literally no one was grieving.

-dave dave sounds like michael in disguise. michael was fond of disguises and wanted to be able to go out in public without his fame interfering with what real life looks and sounds like.

-he had lost most of his money in countless court battles, much of them originating from that moment when he ended up owning most of the music world's greatest hits. he even owned state anthems. every time south carolina played their anthem, they'd have to pay michael royalties if he enforced it. he owned the beatles songs. fifty percent of sony music. as a result of this drastic change in income, he defaulted on his neverland mortgage. an investor stepped up and purchased it and made a deal with michael that when it was sold, michael or his estate would receive a percentage of the profits. then neverland was stripped of all of its statuary and amusement park rides. some even calling the disneyland appeal of it, bizaare. guess those same people say the same thing about walt disney's disneyland?? yeah, i didn't think so.

-the coroner said that the corpse had no damage at all to the blood vessels around the heart, which he had never seen before in a 50 year old. so either michael discovered some medical secret no one else had, or that corpse wasn't michael

I've never been very intrigued by faked deaths. I have to say, this has me wondering. There are some striking similarities the the mannerisms of Michael and Dave Dave. It makes sense ( at least to me) that he would fake his death.

a reply to: charolais

i did find another interview of him with the talk show host LEEZA. same voice. interesting.