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originally posted by: Kokatsi
It's odd how I keep on bumping against people here who have such a simplified and distorted picture of NLP
Tony Robbins does not have much to do with what I have known for decades to be NLP.
Look up John Grinder and Richard Bandler, Steve and Connirae Andreas instead, or Robert Dilts, Milton Erickson etc. It helps to do some research before pronouncing sharp judgments.
I would argue that with the advent of modern linguistics and experimental therapies, NLP or something like that was inevitable. Many technologies can be used for positive or negative goals.
After reading the OP, you could have two basic kinds of reactions. One, you say that the red arrow and the shrinking people are manipulative so you develop more independent thinking and share your knowledge with those that are interested. Or start working for a company like Fox and refine techniques and say, look, a lot of folks have discovered this, let's make this stuff a little less obvious...
Get my drift?
originally posted by: pl3bscheese
I don't know that this works too well at a population level. People have different wiring, and perceptions. Our brains activate differently, or prioritize sets of information differently. When manipulating an individual, you have to tailor your skillset for their particular vulnerabilities. If this works on people, it's that the type of psychological profile has already been vetted, as in the types of people who would watch the channel/program would tend to be... ya feel me?
Red is the color of danger in nature. A warning that something is venomous or toxic. It is also the color of blood and fire. All things that we are instinctively hard wired to fear and avoid. Notice how much red is on the screen.
originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Hefficide
Damn I wish I had your writing skills Heff. I'd make some real threads for a change.
Social engineering is both a science, and an art form. Hypnosis, NLP, subliminals, paraliminals, supraliminals, etc. are all used liberally by media and advertising to change our perception of reality. Once a person studies these things, they start picking up on them, and it is helpful to minimize their effect, but no matter how much we study, we aren't immune. However unethical the practice may be, it's the world we live in. All we can do is be aware, and try to limit our exposure. Understanding how it works, and exposing it like you just did is the best weapon we have right now.
originally posted by: Hefficide
Hello again ATS!
Over the years I've created a few threads on the subject of manipulation techniques and how they are utilized to mislead us. This morning I came across an article on Addicting Info that speaks to a specific facet of one method of manipulation - the use of misleading visual cues to distort how we will interpret and process information being provided to us.
This is a very fascinating and relevant subject because we all tend to think of ourselves as above this sort of manipulation. After all, we are evolved and educated enough to understand that our eyes can play tricks on us and that appearances can be deceiving... But, sadly, our vanity and ego plays right into the hands of those who wish to mislead us.
There are reasons why reporters and news anchors tend to be physically attractive people who are, essentially, interchangeable from one to the other as far as appearances go. Barbie and Ken read us the news because, well, we tend to trust Barbie and Ken at their word more than we trust, say, an Ernest Borgnine at his. On a very primal level, we tend to take beauty at it's word. We tend to let our guards down when our sexuality is triggered.....
When you start to learn the different ways that propaganda is distributed, you start to be able to recognize it a lot easier.
I have a master's degree in NLP and I also taught language seminars to people about hypnotic language forms (and their undoing as well, which is called meta-modelling in NLP), I translated several books and conducted hundreds of hours of therapy sessions.
To sum it all up, first off, it is a gross oversimplification by less informed people that NLP would be a synonym of nefarious verbal manipulation...
...and second, Mr Robbins has precious little to do with it (though some of what he says is no doubt useful and may be in harmony with a very basic understanding of NLP).