P.S- dogs, cats, goats? these are domesticated animals they do what their owner tells them too, and are usually confined to a space provided by a human. but you never know they may have wanted to hit the ground running.

Yeah, well, after replying and everything, I really have no clue what point you are trying to make. Ninki, what is the significance of your observation?

Originally posted by ninki
the recent tradgedy in asia, shows me something about the flood of noahs day....the animals knew before it happened!!!! and moved to high ground...i would think that a flood covering the planet, would certainly send the herds moving uphill to higher ground,

Animals would have sensed the earthquakes.. this is common knowledge.. and tsunamis occur every fifty years or so.. and great floods aren't rare [the main one being just after the dinosaur extinction].

just an interesting fact, as of today 77,000 dead and no animal fatalitys to speak of.......hummmm

hmmm Over 100 thousand people died so I think getting animal death stats would not be a priority. I find it highly distasteful and petty for you to use this tragedy as an opportunity to try 'win' a silly argument on a reduntent thread about how Noah got things like koalas on board his ark. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Seepeople.. your report brang a tear to my eye. I am so glad people are paying attention to the important issues!

[edit on 31-12-2004 by riley]

Originally posted by ninki
Seapeople- remember this statement? "For you to bring God into this disaster." " it is as if you think god did this for some reason" your words directed towards me, not a reference to pat robertson!

I do believe the bible. Why god chose not to warn these people i do not know, he loves them more than any of us ever could, maybee he wanted to call them home?after all they are his to do with what he pleases, one day our number will come up.


Cheeser- yes this did ocure to me, but major wildlife refugees were hit and very minimal animal fatalitys were reported, the animals had for the most part moved out of harms way. the places mostly affected by the tsunami were islands so, i would say everyone, encluding animals were pretty close to the ocean wouldent you?

You just don't get it do you Ninki??? God didn't warn them because 1) he doesnt warn people, 2) he didn't know it was going to happen, and 3) thats if he even cares, 4) or exists. You can argue things with me until I die, but it is illogical and impossible to assume otherwise. God cannot know everything and still love us infinitely.

Did you or did you not bring a biblical story up in your very first statement? Not only a biblical story, but one that is scientifically so unlikely that it causes logical people to shy away from believing anything in that cryptic, confusing, jumble of words that makes no sense, you call the bible.

Riley, I do what I can......

Seapeople- Riley- Cheeser- alright have it your way, i will stop talking with you, as you truly are not interested in anything other than explaning away god,my point in the above posts was that animals have the capability to sence and move out of harms way, and i do believe this to be relevent to the flood of noahs day. i thought these message boards were for the exchange of ideas and thoughts- possibly only if you have the same thoughts as others, sorry it wont happen that way for me,you guys get so huffy about anything that has to do with god, especially you Seapeople! you start out talking to me last month all nice like you realy want to chat, then slam me!throw all these tests at me and when i answer you do not even know what to say, i think you are confused and very rude, and so that there is no question as to what i believe here goes a whole raft of my thoughts , to whom it may concern.....i am not a religion, i dont have a religion, i do not have an affiliation, i do have a need, and i do have a savior! i believe Jesus was crucified for my sin, being the spotless lamb whom took away the sin of the world,i believe he rose from the dead and is now seated at the right hand of the father, i also believe that i will see him face to face, i believe every tounge will confess that jesus was and is the messiah, i believe the jews missed the boat on that one...i believe in a global flood, i believe in the rapture of the church, i believe god is in our lives ,living and active today, i believe he will judge the quick and the dead, i believe that jesus blood covers all of my sin , i believe that god chooses simple and foolish things of this world to confound the wise, i believe the wise are confounded! i believe that the universe means what it is named after "one spoken sentance" i believe it was jesus walking in the garden ,that jesus was on the cross, that he rose from the dead,and that the same jesus is coming again. i believe in the three laws- matter cannot be created or destroyed, everything tends toward disorder, and absolute zero is un-obtainable...i believe that something and everything cannot be created out of nothing, and neither do those of you who say you do not believe in god, you actually believe that in the beginning there was dirt .that takes faith, i believe in the beginning was god, that also takes faith- wich i have- and wich is enough to bring me into glory. now you have it flat out! no need to question what i believe, i was more interested in talking with people who are not afraid, to listen.....guess that dont happen round these parts

SEAPEOPLE- god does know everything about you! and he died for you, just as much as he died for me,and more amazingly he not only loves you, he likes you,and wants to be with you, god is awesome, the scales that cover your eyes i pray will one day fall off.in retort to your above post #1 god does warn people #2 god knows everything #3god does care #4 god does exist #5 and the most amazing thing is that he does know all, and still love us....sometimes people find this hard to grasp, as all around us we have people who love you for a time and for what they can get.

Originally posted by ninki
SEAPEOPLE- god does know everything about you! and he died for you, just as much as he died for me,and more amazingly he not only loves you, he likes you,and wants to be with you, god is awesome,

God died for us?
wasnt that Jesus? and making Jesus an god or idol is there for breaking;

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

and

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me. And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments."

Ninki....
Fist off, logic indicates that your statements are contradictory involving Gods supposed knowledge and his supposed love for you.

Secondly, how would animals be given gifts of that nature, without being in high favor with God, therefore being eligable for heaven. According to christianity, animals don't go to heaven. Nor are they on the same level as us...considering we are the ones in Gods image and likeness. Why would God give them that ability and not humans....

Oh, and really when it all comes down to it, you said that animals have this ability. Humans are animals. We are just smarter animals. Why don't I see when earthquakes are coming....?????

Do you at least go to a pentecostal church??? I asked you if you were pentecostal and what church you went to. You responded by saying you were non-denominational. So my question to you now is: do you attend a pentecostal church...even if you are non-denominational?

Originally posted by ninki
i was more interested in talking with people who are not afraid, to listen.....

You were ONLY interested in reviving a debate you cannot win because you believe everything in the bible blindly.. you already KNOW the idea of koalas swimming all the way to the middle east is ludicrous.. they'd be pushing it to move two feet away from a tree. The idea that the disaster was punnishment is offensive as well. What.. if the continent was filled with christians would satan be to blame? And it was NOT a flood. It was a wave.. the impact alone probably would have killed a great many people.. and large portion of them that died were children and old people.. some others were strong enough to withstand it.. which may also include some animals- and last I checked the news didn't mention anything about Noah rescuing all the poor little animals.
I don't like being harsh but the tone of your initial post had a "So there I win" attitude which I found infantile and disrespectful towards all those people that died.. [and to scientific fact] that and.. people are sick of hearing about noahs ark because we've already heared it and discussed it with you. Repetitivly.. Why go over the same ground? It also seemed you were suggesting they were punnished for something. Now you say people are just being oversensitive?!
100 thousand dead people. 1 million without homes.
Apologies if I don't have it in the right perspective.
And people DID try discuss it with you this time.. and AGAIN you accuse people of trying to attack your faith or being afraid of believing because they don't agree with you.. when all they did was answer questions logically.
You are entitled to your faith.. but please don't expect people to denounce common sense and scientific fact in favour of your beliefs.

[edit on 31-12-2004 by riley]

Riley- i would say that it is hillarious to assume that your level of thinking is somehow on a higher plain, and to believe in god is to renounce logic and reason?...i never said this event was a judgement, did i ? no i said i dont know why things happen, but god does and he loves those people more than you or i could, and maybee it was time for them to come home. Seapeople- No i do not go to a pentecostal church- do you have some great worry that you may have run into a penticostal? are your parents penticostal? it sounds like you might have a complex...
actually it is funny how simple this thread was intended to be, but of course you cannot understand that, i was simply stating that animals migrating to higher ground was a totaly plausable thing, and it reminded me of the flood of noahs day...you all seem so afraid to agree with anything that the bible says just because its the bible....very sad

Ninki
It certainly gives one pause to realize animals are more in tune with God's voice than men.
It also is easy to see how the animals would have been drawn to Noah's ark , as you suggested. I also believe that on that occasion the Lord our God called them two by two, the same voice that called all of us into being!
"In Him we live and move and have our being.."
It is nice to find a Christian fighting the good fight of faith..
There is far more evidence for creation than for any other secular theory.
The problem is if one were to admit these were true , that one would have to deal with the mandate to be born again and repent of sin. Most are unwilling to do this, so? Its all an big game of D_NILE...lol
fight on little sister, and God Bless you!!!

I dont think the animals on the ark new about the flood when they were going to the ark. I could be wrong, but God SENT them their, they didnt go on their own.

yermom
I agree the animals were called at the time of Noah.
I like Ninki's observation about them avoiding this last disaster...could be the Lord called them away from it for HIS own reasons..
I am of the opinion that everything points to our creator if we had only the eyes to see.
Guess that is why we sing "Open the eyes of my heart Lord, open the eyes of my heart, I want to see you ."

Some people refuse to see whats in front of their face, because they are cowards.

Originally posted by Bearmaw7
yermom
I agree the animals were called at the time of Noah.

i dont understand
can you please educate me from what the best you can.

How did Animals like the Koala's from Australia (where im from:cheers, travel over ocean/oceans and great land masses to get to Noah. And also, Koala's have a specialised diet- (which means they are restricted to a small range of foods in their diet), this is the eucalyptus tree, native to australia. Did the Koalas carry eucalyptus leaves with them as they ventured half way across the earth

Please answer this Bearmaw or Ninki i would appreciate it


[edit on 12/17/2004 by cheeser]

Originally posted by ninki
Riley- i would say that it is hillarious to assume that your level of thinking is somehow on a higher plain,

No assumptions.. I go by the evidence presented.
You know.. Christmas Eve I saw something that looked like a shooting star.. but OBVIOUSLY it must have been Santa and his reindeer.. anyone who believes otherwise are just frightened of accepting the TRUTH and will burn in hell.

and to believe in god is to renounce logic and reason?

You believe koalas can swim thousands of miles.

...i never said this event was a judgement, did i ?

Well you didn't seem to have any other point.. aside from using a tragedy as some sort of segway to bring up noahs ark again. Very smooth that was.. almost seamless.
Can't think of any other reason why you'd bring it up.. are all the animals that didn't die the other day on the Ark now? Noah and co were spared because everyone else was 'evil'. Bringing up a Noah connection infers that these people were evil as well. Sounds like a judgement to me.

you all seem so afraid to agree with anything that the bible says just because its the bible....very sad

Why is it very sad?
Whats sad is someone trying to prove a myth is true by disrespecting the dead and those who's lives are now in ruins.. is this Christianity? What a thing to aspire to.

[edit on 1-1-2005 by riley]

SEAPEOPLE- you mean eyes like yours? blind, pittiful ,wretched and poor? that is what we all are without christ!

RILEY-the only judgement i think we live under is, a world frustrated by sin, i do not think death is always a direct judgement, it is an apointment with the one who made you! death has been swallowed up by the perfect sacrifice of our lord and savior jesus christ, the only sting in death is sin! you will live forever, one way or another, you were created to last forever. some people die in a bed at night, some in car crashes ,some in natural disasters...we all die! it is actually pretty much the only thing you can count on! that is unless you know christ, then you can count on hearing him say well done my good and faithful servant, now enter into your rest.is it disrespectful of me to make observations about nature when people have lost there lives? i do not think so, they were doing what comes natural to us all, they were getting there number called up, it was there time to go....someday for you and someday for me....it is just hard on the people left behind because we want to hold on to those people that we love, but like i said before, god loves them so much more than we are capable of loving, could be he wanted to call them home!

The answer to both questions is this.
Before the flood the topography of the earth was very different.
The flood changed, not only the landscape, but the rotation of the earth on it's axis. The weather patterns were never the same again.
Before the flood th your little Aussie bears would not have had to travel over oceans to get to Noah..
The Bible actually refers to a time when the earth "was divided" in Genesis. Before the flood the earth was one large land mass surrounded by water. (This is why if you take a map of the world and lay continents together they roughly fit into one body...
As for their diets...just because they only eat one type of food now doesn't mean that the little guys never could or would eat anything but eucalyptus.
I believe at the time of the flood even the lion was content to eat hay.

riley
In fact, this last wave is nothing compared to what is coming ,and it IS, indeed ,a "judgement of God" I have no problem saying the truth here...God's judgement is His warning to a wicked world. A world that worships the creation rather than the Creator.
Do you know anything about the practices of the people groups in the area we speak of?
Are you aware that in this neck of the woods, little girls and boys are painted gold and sent naked to the slave block. There they are sold as sex slaves to a thriving and lusty group of abusers who use these little ones, finally killing them and returning to buy another?
God's judgement is real in my life and in yours.. He is compassionate and full of mercy but He will not always be silent.
"For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation God created, to this time,.." Mk.13:19
We're here, it's time ..get ready...Love in Christ Bearmaw7

Seapeople
Interesting, your defination of coward...
I believe a coward to be one that will not look at himself in the perfect light of God's word..admit he is a sinner and repent.
"For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made." Ro. 1:20

This tells me that you know the truth of Jesus when you hear it, but you lie to yourself and to others claiming to not know or understand...but in reality you do...so do I my friend. I understand that a just and HOLY God has forgiven me and made me right with HIM.
That is peace and life indeed.
In Him who is in me!
Bearmaw7