Neo-Feudalism: The New Paradigm

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: CranialSponge
a reply to: MystikMushroom

Some communities would be artisans, others purely mechanical, and others agrarian. All of these communities would barter and trade their specialties for the maximum benefit of all. Everyone would have a place, and could move to whatever community seemed to interest them. New communities could be established as new ideas/demands surfaced.

That's a fantastic idea... in theory.

Our world used to be exactly that at one point, but as the population grew, so did those small communities until we ended up with what we've got now - huge cities... and small towns slowly getting eaten up in the process.

Unfortunately, that world can only last for so long without some kind of population control. And of course population control would mean hindering on people's freedoms... which I think is out of the question for most people (myself included).

That was us before. A time when we functioned well and everything was as it should be (IMO). But we have turned into asses and followed a failed idea that we can create a utopia by simply forcing the actions of a utopia upon the people. Yeah...like trying to force a cat not to chase a mouse it was destine to fail...and has. But some of us (I'm looking left) continue to push this idea of the super educated but inexperienced should rule the minions and tell them how to live in harmony when we aren't capable. Then we throw out "racist", "the evil 1%", etc. to PROVE to the people what they should hate. "Should" doesn't mean we as humans are ready or capable of that yet. And we are not.

I personally support the idea of living in kingdoms of like minded and belief. It used to be called "state's rights" and the government is trying to destroy it in hopes of a utopia that won't happen. So we destroy what works...in hopes of something impossible. Mostly impossible due to the selfish and the takers/users among us.

I disagree with your premise of being unable to live in harmony with others 'unlike ourselves'.

I'm sorry to say it (and I'm going to get lambasted for saying this out loud, but I'm going to say it anyways)... you're "Americanism" is showing. You've drank too much of the kool-aid.

Let's face it... you don't even realize what's wrong with what you just typed out !


Allow me to clarify:

The United States is wrought with racial/religious division and has been from the day of its conception. Most of you don't even realize just how thick it is in your country because you don't know any different, it's just always... been.

My country, although it has its own ugly history in many ways, was not conceived on the idea of such drastic seperatism. We just simply don't have that type of mindset, and that's the way it's always been (in my 48 year lifetime at least).

I live in a country that has way way less population than yours. And I live in a small town of less then 3000 people, far off the beaten track of the nearest metropolitan area.

That town consists of people from every colour, religion, and walk of life - my country is just as much of a melting pot as yours is. And yet, in my little town of 'blue collar redneck country bumpkins'... we live in pretty damn good harmony with one another despite your belief that we shouldn't be able to.

My east indian neighbours across the street are kind, caring, salt-of-the-earth type of people. They live, love, and laugh just like the rest of us. My native american neighbours next door fall into the exact same category. And my broken-english-french-speaking Quebecois neighbour next door to the east indians ? Same damn thing.

There is no "left/right" or "race/religion" bullsnip going on in my town. We're all just living our lives, breathing the same air, bleeding the same colour of blood, and lending a helping hand to one another when duty calls.

There is none of this seperatist crap you speak of.

We're just people being people.

In Soviet Canada, the black people dress like white people, while white think they are black people.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
In my personal opinion we should be living on the Moon, under the ocean and on Mars by now. For some reason I get the feeling there is some kind of force holding humanity from moving forward. It's almost as if I had the money to build a colony on the Moon some shady group would come and convince me not to.

Keep going with that train of thoughts. You are not far from a discovery

The force has a name. No one dares speak it.

Do us the honors and tell .

a reply to: SoulSurfer

I'm still waiting for a mysterious phone call or letter in the mail asking for my membership.

I signed up on that Illuminati website, but I haven't heard anything -- I think it's some kind of D&D inspired role playing game.

Anyway, it does seem that we're being lead in circles. What is it about humanity? Are we a threat to ourselves, or someone else? Are we to infantile of a species to be gallivanting around, colonizing our own solar system?

We're never going to grow unless we learn to climb out of our crib. We're never going to mature as a species if we're continually treated so immaturely. People aren't going to wake up and take initiative unless a group of others does so first. I think once a few people start living in a more "human-maximizing" and "human-friendly" way, the damn will quickly break.

originally posted by: CranialSponge

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: CranialSponge
a reply to: MystikMushroom

Some communities would be artisans, others purely mechanical, and others agrarian. All of these communities would barter and trade their specialties for the maximum benefit of all. Everyone would have a place, and could move to whatever community seemed to interest them. New communities could be established as new ideas/demands surfaced.

That's a fantastic idea... in theory.

Our world used to be exactly that at one point, but as the population grew, so did those small communities until we ended up with what we've got now - huge cities... and small towns slowly getting eaten up in the process.

Unfortunately, that world can only last for so long without some kind of population control. And of course population control would mean hindering on people's freedoms... which I think is out of the question for most people (myself included).

That was us before. A time when we functioned well and everything was as it should be (IMO). But we have turned into asses and followed a failed idea that we can create a utopia by simply forcing the actions of a utopia upon the people. Yeah...like trying to force a cat not to chase a mouse it was destine to fail...and has. But some of us (I'm looking left) continue to push this idea of the super educated but inexperienced should rule the minions and tell them how to live in harmony when we aren't capable. Then we throw out "racist", "the evil 1%", etc. to PROVE to the people what they should hate. "Should" doesn't mean we as humans are ready or capable of that yet. And we are not.

I personally support the idea of living in kingdoms of like minded and belief. It used to be called "state's rights" and the government is trying to destroy it in hopes of a utopia that won't happen. So we destroy what works...in hopes of something impossible. Mostly impossible due to the selfish and the takers/users among us.

I disagree with your premise of being unable to live in harmony with others 'unlike ourselves'.

I'm sorry to say it (and I'm going to get lambasted for saying this out loud, but I'm going to say it anyways)... you're "Americanism" is showing. You've drank too much of the kool-aid.

Let's face it... you don't even realize what's wrong with what you just typed out !


Allow me to clarify:

The United States is wrought with racial/religious division and has been from the day of its conception. Most of you don't even realize just how thick it is in your country because you don't know any different, it's just always... been.

My country, although it has its own ugly history in many ways, was not conceived on the idea of such drastic seperatism. We just simply don't have that type of mindset, and that's the way it's always been (in my 48 year lifetime at least).

I live in a country that has way way less population than yours. And I live in a small town of less then 3000 people, far off the beaten track of the nearest metropolitan area.

That town consists of people from every colour, religion, and walk of life - my country is just as much of a melting pot as yours is. And yet, in my little town of 'blue collar redneck country bumpkins'... we live in pretty damn good harmony with one another despite your belief that we shouldn't be able to.

My east indian neighbours across the street are kind, caring, salt-of-the-earth type of people. They live, love, and laugh just like the rest of us. My native american neighbours next door fall into the exact same category. And my broken-english-french-speaking Quebecois neighbour next door to the east indians ? Same damn thing.

There is no "left/right" or "race/religion" bullsnip going on in my town. We're all just living our lives, breathing the same air, bleeding the same colour of blood, and lending a helping hand to one another when duty calls.

There is none of this seperatist crap you speak of.

We're just people being people.

You misunderstood. In even an American town off the beaten path with 'blue collar redneck country bumpkins' we could live in peace and harmony. But not in a "town" of millions where there are so many divisions, attitudes, financial differences and hardships...etc. For example...a criminal gets shot and if he is black the black community starts a riot over race. In a town of 3000...that wouldn't be the case. For the most part (I assume) you all know each other or at least of each other. Your views and morals can be represented easily where millions of people can not.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Are we a threat to ourselves, or someone else? Are we to infantile of a species to be gallivanting around, colonizing our own solar system?

There's no need to move off the planet or under the oceans. We can share this potential paradise Earth if we live communally and design efficient and relevant technology. We are now backwards in our approach. Take the self driving car...

Why would we want to give up the fun of driving? I wouldn’t mind giving up the fatigue of long distance driving, but I would like to enjoy my drive to the storehouse. ‘Twould be nice to always venture out in a muscle car, but despite the great deal of control they afford, they are inefficient. I’m sure efficiency can also mean fun. There should probably be a weight limit for the road designed for these new cars. They will most likely be beautifully aerodynamic and airbrushed. They will be human assisted, yet we will trust each other to not damage the paint jobs.

Commuting is a problem that will still need a solution in the age of go carts. I foresee large house like cars on rails traveling at comfortable speeds while people chat, play, and take care of needs. I’m sure a nearly fool proof rail system would emerge for this transportation. I think that in addition, we will learn better as a civilization to lay out our destinations and schedules so distances will be smaller.

We need to think communally about necessities as transportation, housing, food, medicine, and education. We need to design technology around the central idea that we will have to be better coordinated to maximize comfort and leisure for all.

Yes this is an increasing problem across the country. Housing codes in many areas dictate that even if you do not use utilities you are required to have them hooked up. Their argument is that it is unsanitary living conditions.

Think about that for a second. They don't care if you use the utilities, at all, ever. But you still have to fork over your address, social security number and most of the time your banking information. How convenient. If they really cared about you creating an unsafe living environment why aren't they also regulating that you take three showers a day?

a reply to: boohoo

It's a shame it is the one choice mankind is unable to make, what if.....

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
Unfortunately, that world can only last for so long without some kind of population control. And of course population control would mean hindering on people's freedoms... which I think is out of the question for most people (myself included).

I personally support the idea of living in kingdoms of like minded and belief. It used to be called "state's rights" and the government is trying to destroy it in hopes of a utopia that won't happen. So we destroy what works...in hopes of something impossible. Mostly impossible due to the selfish and the takers/users among us.

originally posted by: CranialSponge
I disagree with your premise of being unable to live in harmony with others 'unlike ourselves'.

I'm sorry to say it (and I'm going to get lambasted for saying this out loud, but I'm going to say it anyways)... you're "Americanism" is showing. You've drank too much of the kool-aid.

Let's face it... you don't even realize what's wrong with what you just typed out !

Allow me to clarify:

The United States is wrought with racial/religious division and has been from the day of its conception. Most of you don't even realize just how thick it is in your country because you don't know any different, it's just always... been.

@CranialSponge, your dialog with WeAreAWAKE illustrates the reason why Neo-Fuedalism and Fascism thrives and has found a permanent home in the United States. Take note of the heavy use of the words "freedom" and "states rights" in the comments made by WeAreAWAKE. In the U.S., the usage of terms like "freedom" and "states rights" is usually a strong indicator of personalities prone to support Fascist ideology. But unlike other countries, the American education system is so poor that these people cannot recognize that they are indeed Fascists sympathizers. Think deeply about what was written by WeAreAWAKE, this person actually suggested that the idea, that living in a "kingdom" is a good idea. Why? Because the education this person received, over their lifetime, taught them virtually nothing about what Feudalism and the Mercantilist economy really are and therefore is HIGHLY susceptible to messages promoting Fascist policies.

As I said earlier, the United States is a former "slave owning nation" that fought "tooth and nail" to maintain the legal right to own slaves. Even worse, U.S. business owners turned indentured servants, whom by contract, were set to be released in 7 years, into indefinite slaves through legal loopholes and it was all done with the state, local and federal governments turning a blind-eye to the practice.

So, I ask, AGAIN, can we REALLY expect responsible business leadership from a nation that was formed on these values?

No, we cannot, its a COMPLETELY lost cause.

For example, large scale opposition to public polices like the TPP in United States is nearly impossible because too many Americans have FULLY bought into an illusion that says "one day, you too, can be a slave owner". Sadly most folks in USA are too far gone and there is no going back for them. The nation is filled with people whom are nothing more than mouthpieces and apologists for Robber Barron's, who's contemporary beliefs and actions are similar to the Italian Fascist of 1922-1943. But due to poor education, Americans can not see the historical similarities and have little ability to learn, taking in new information or understanding alternative perspectives. The USA, is not currently, a place of true "life-time learning", in the USA thats just the name of a tax credit.

The sad reality is that people like WeAreAWAKE, MUST be RECOGNIZED NOW and IDENTIFIED IMMEDIATELY, as a modern day Squadristi. They are the enemy to ALL people whom oppose the tenants Fascism, Mercantilism and Feudalism. These people CAN NOT be saved or reasoned with and to do any less that AGGRESSIVELY FIGHTING THEM, puts those whom oppose their kind in danger. These kinds of people cannot and should not be given the benefit of the doubt because they are VERY MUCH like those Dutch, whom "traded slaves", but claimed they also "did not own slaves".

Large portions of the USA populace cannot and are unwilling to be swayed at this juncture because they prefer "having the legal option to form dynasties" based on inherited wealth and the legally ability to incrementally claim economic power over others, even though NONE of them will EVER acquire enough wealth to take advantage of such legal situations. Lets stop lying to ourselves, this Fascist mindset spread among the U.S. culture, as a whole, is too deeply embedded in their psyche and is NEVER going away, EVER! Adopting sustainable economics polices and business strategies is, quite simply, impossible for the U.S. culture and its entrenched business climate. What even worse, is that the above sentiment doesn't even begin to address the U.S. populations inability to work together and cooperate to ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING!

The overall FACT is, that the USA is now nothing more than a 2nd world, fascist stronghold. In the U.S. those that disagree with the vocal "pro business majority", have few choices these days and escaping the nation before its too late is one of the few choices left. The sooner people start admitting it to themselves, the faster they can begin laying financial escape plans, so as to emigrate to REAL 1st world nations, which the USA is not and has not been, since the mid to late 1990's, at the latest.

Things God hates. Because these corrode and destroy humanities humanity and God loves humans. God doesn't hate humans he hates it when humans do these things to each other.

How deep are these characteristics being programmed into society through media and previously programmed generations.

The systems that are talked about in this thread impliment all of these things.

1) arrogant/distainful perspectives
2) a lying tongue
3) hands that shed innocent blood
4) a heart that devises wicked schemes
5) feet that are quick to rush into evil
6) a false witness who pours out lies
7) a person who stirs up conflict in the community.

Log onto your book of faces and see what you see. Turn on the tv. It's coming from all sides.

a reply to: MystikMushroom
All of us contribute a little so we can all float a little higher? For real? Somebody sure woke up on socialist side of the bed today. I'm sorry to laugh but it's really not happening that way.

So what we're seeing is the value of the individual declining.

ok so you seem to view corporatism as being a significant contributor to the decline of the individual, and yet it is usually the totalitarian socialist types who hate capitalism who are the very ones who expect us all to live in apartments and condos and have our use of resources limited because it's more "sustainable". Just think about that for a little while. And don't forget your brown cap. We must all wear those....

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
ok so you seem to view corporatism as being a significant contributor to the decline of the individual, and yet it is usually the totalitarian socialist types who hate capitalism who are the very ones who expect us all to live in apartments and condos and have our use of resources limited because it's more "sustainable". Just think about that for a little while. And don't forget your brown cap. We must all wear those....

Great, just what we need, another product of the poor American education system, whom cannot recognize that they are indeed a closeted Fascists sympathizer.

Here is a perfect example confirming my above post. What we can clearly see, is a shining example of what I called American Robber Barron apologists. The reality is that America is a LOST CAUSE because its FILLED TO THE BRIM with closeted Fascists. They cannot be reasoned with because they too "one day, want to be a slave owner" whom has economic power over others.

My advice to those that don't agree with "American Robber Barron apologists" is to STOP bargaining with them, no more dialogs, no more compromises because THEY ARE THE ENEMY. Do you think the Work Councils in Germany have to deal with people believing this kind of nonsense? Of course not and that's why they have universal healthcare, real vacation time, true labor protection under the law and a voice in how the businesses that they work in are managed, ALL to the tune of an economy that rivals the USA.

On a side note, did you Germany, which has a GDP that is 5 times SMALLER than the USA, exports nearly the same amount as the USA, $1.46 trillion versus 1.56 trillion? Somehow that "socialist" country manages to make just as much money from exports as the USA, despite having been bombed into oblivion during WWII and prior to that owed $33 billion in reparation debt after WWI.

So ask me, who's economic system is not working?

But as I said, these thing can't happen in America, PERIOD, so why stay? Let these RATS continue to cannibalize each other, BUT if you disagree with American Robber Barron Apologists, take your money and labor to a place where regular people still matter. Regular people DON'T matter in the USA and NEVER WILL due to "lower level rats" here continuing to believe that they can move up becoming a "small time Rat King", one day, that is legally allowed to cannibalize other "lower level rats" within their grasp. Remember, these are the characteristics of 2nd and 3rd World countries, not 1st world nations. The United States HAS NO CHARACTERISTIC that meets the definition of a 1st world nation, other than being a relatively safe place to live (excluding places like Detroit, of course, which are actually 3rd world status).

The system here is STUPID and I don't understand why anyone not on track to the 1% even bothers to participate anymore, quite simply, they've got regular people coming and going. So again, why do ANYTHING the "Owners of Capital" want regular people to do, ESPECIALLY when there is so little to gain from cooperating with the current system in the first place?

originally posted by: boohoo
The reality is that America is a LOST CAUSE because its FILLED TO THE BRIM with closeted Fascists. They cannot be reasoned with because they too "one day, want to be a slave owner" whom has economic power over others.

I agree about closeted fascists. I'm personally and communally glad to see you rambling about something I also address. However, I like to think I am able to persuade the people I interact with through logic and example. I've seen people go through drastic changes. Did I just say that I'm full of hope for change? Perhaps I should run for president. I'll be the "feel good" candidate.

a reply to: boohoo

You have to consider that Americans are going through a transitional period right now. From their arrival to the shores of this land, it has always been accepted that to the victor goes the spoils. You got to keep that which you were successful in protecting. When there were enough people disseminated, and constant battling became unproductive, they made agreements. Some they held to, most, much like today, were not worth the paper they were written on.

Americans have been lied to and deceived every waking hour of their day. They have to hold on to something. They have to believe in something. Else, why even bother. I think the hope lies in the people that are waking up. They are just washing the sleep from their eyes, but they know the crap the government controlling 1% is slinging, is nothing but bull.

Their goal may be "world" control. I don't see it happening, at least not for long. There are just way too many people in this world that don't embrace their vision. Americans are starting to wake up. They are starting to recognize the wool was being pulled over their eyes, and it has never been about them, God or Country. There is hope for all of us yet.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
I think the hope lies in the people that are waking up.

Getting information and communicating has never been close to this easy. From what I've observed, this awakening is unprecedented.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Wow, its been three years since I've surfed this website and I must digress, there is still hope. Seeing all of this unfold is daunting and it strikes a certain feeling of great uneasiness when you speak to people about such topics and they are oblivious of it but rather encumbered by modern day life and being '' successful'' . I struggled with many ''demons'' so to speak but one thing I have always been certain of is the value of humanity as a whole. That's how far we have come as a race , teamwork. Whether we hated our lives whilst doing it or not is besides the point. We constructed this modern world by letting the lies in and accommodating them. I fear the worst when this pot of water over boils. It's going to get nasty. Indoctrination is scary, programming habitual ideals is sinister . Yet I still hope, I still hope someday more minds will be opened and it will lead to a up rising where the ego will be put aside and this third rock from the sun can finally practice a valuable and peaceful existence . All the best and bravo on a well constructed post

originally posted by: gentledissident

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
I think the hope lies in the people that are waking up.

Getting information and communicating has never been close to this easy. From what I've observed, this awakening is unprecedented.

I had my own awakening when my system indoctrinated brother, started preaching to me things that I have shared with him over 12 years ago.

I can only smile. Let him rant. And fight the urge to say, "I told you so".

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
ok so you seem to view corporatism as being a significant contributor to the decline of the individual, and yet it is usually the totalitarian socialist types who hate capitalism who are the very ones who expect us all to live in apartments and condos and have our use of resources limited because it's more "sustainable". Just think about that for a little while. And don't forget your brown cap. We must all wear those....

This is a strange worst case scenario I dream of as well, a beehive with government sanctioned merchandise. That is the American way. I'm pretty sure the awakened are moving in the opposite direction.

Here another thread with more people denying the existence of Neo-Fascim, Neo-Feudalism and Neo-Mercantilsim

Amazon's Workplace Atmosphere and The NYT's Expose' Article

a reply to: MystikMushroom

if you look at what "freedom" meant in say the 1800's Western frontier, it mean participating in the general will of the community you lived in.

To me that statement is self contradictory. Freedom never means subject to the general will of a community.

A community has no will, itself. A community does not exist as a real living thing. Individuals in the community make all decisions and actions that the community performs. The general will of a community is shorthand for saying, "the will of those individuals controlling the community".

Freedom never means doing what someone else tells you to.

Our Leftist culture constantly passes off inclusion as equality, and equality as freedom. Totally Orwellian.