Your genetically-enhanced, cyborg future.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
And none of that will matter once we reach post-scarcity. That is my entire point. And even IF capitalism still exists, why then would me uploading myself to a digital existence make me a "servant" of some corporation?

Unless of course, if you think standard employment today is equal to servitude as well. Then we have a clash of ideology that cannot be reconciled.

Post-Scarcity will NEVER happen. Yes, the technology to create the condition of "Post-Scarcity", absolutely exists, but that has NOTHING to do with laws that currently exist and will be written to keep resources in the hands of the few. "Absolutism" is not supposed to exist anymore either, but the reality is that it does still exists.

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originally posted by: boohoo

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
And none of that will matter once we reach post-scarcity. That is my entire point. And even IF capitalism still exists, why then would me uploading myself to a digital existence make me a "servant" of some corporation?

Unless of course, if you think standard employment today is equal to servitude as well. Then we have a clash of ideology that cannot be reconciled.

Post-Scarcity will NEVER happen. Yes, the technology to create the condition of "Post-Scarcity", absolutely exists, but that has NOTHING to do with laws that currently exist and will be written to keep resources in the hands of the few. "Absolutism" is not supposed to exist anymore either, but the reality is that it does still exists.

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You're right. Post-Scarcity will never happen so long as folks like you are still around moaning about how it will never happen.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
You're right. Post-Scarcity will never happen so long as folks like you are still around moaning about how it will never happen.

You really believe that you have a say in all this, don't you?

Start spending some time in the real world of high level politics and business. Once you do that you will quickly see how hopeless things are and how little your beliefs matter.

Unless of course you are advocating armed conflict to initiate change, ala the "Peasants Revolt", anything short of that and regular folks are back at square one. Heck, we can't even end the two-party system in the United States.

originally posted by: boohoo

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
You're right. Post-Scarcity will never happen so long as folks like you are still around moaning about how it will never happen.

You really believe that you have a say in all this, don't you?

Start spending some time in the real world of high level politics and business. Once you do that you will quickly see how hopeless things are and how little your beliefs matter.

Unless of course you are advocating armed conflict to initiate change, ala the "Peasants Revolt", anything short of that and regular folks are back at square one. Heck, we can't even end the two-party system in the United States.

So what, I just throw my hands in the air and accept that things will never change?

What a poor outlook on the future. No wonder you're so bitter.

originally posted by: boohoo

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
If the server or machine that houses your consciousness is privately owned, that would be impossible. I'm referring to buying a small box to house "you", and maybe a small space in a building somewhere to provide power and internet connectivity.

No company would have to "sponsor" my digital existence. All I'd need to do is do some menial job like being a virtual assistant to earn enough money to pay the electric bills (if such a thing as electricity bills still exist by then) and internet costs (Again if such a thing still exists). Oooo! I could even work to buy myself a shiny new robot body that I can dump myself into if I want to move around the real world as well.

Again, someone in dreamland...

NO COMPANY, that adheres to the financial principals of "profitable growth" is going to sell the service in this manner, look no further than Adobe Cloud as an example. At best, you will be on a long term lease and at worst you'll be an "Indentured Servant", who's bill can never be paid off, due to low wages received in exchange for virtual labor.

Um, virtual worlds like Second Life (which can be thought of as a very crude version of what you're both talking about) would tend to support ScientificRailgun's future outlook.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
So what, I just throw my hands in the air and accept that things will never change?

What a poor outlook on the future. No wonder you're so bitter.

I didn't say "throw your hands in the air and accept that things will never change", I said that you must be willing to advocate armed conflict to initiate change, ala the "Peasants Revolt" because anything short of that will go nowhere. I'm certainly not going to lead such a movement because I do not believe the Singularity will move us in the direction of more freedom. I believe dependence on Corporate tech historically has shown an inverse correlation with freedom, due to the power it gives the "Owners of Capital" to fine tune micromanaging and surveillance of regular people that rely on wages from their labor.

originally posted by: JadeStar
Um, virtual worlds like Second Life (which can be thought of as a very crude version of what you're both talking about) would tend to support ScientificRailgun's future outlook.

If second life mattered, in a fiscal sense, a big corp would have tried a hostile take over already, if not available for outright purchase. Should the kinds of things you guys are advocating come to pass and are actually commercially viable, there won't be anything the average consumer can do to influence the operation, distribution, rules or policies in its use, OTHER than abstaining from participating in the first place (therefore reducing its overall REAL influence on society, ala Second Life).

You are forgetting PIRACY and black markets that will make it next to impossible to control all the information. your outlook assumes the corporations replace the government. you are a pessimistic and will always see things as bad. Life must suck and be devoid of any happiness am I right? Goth went out with grunge rock didnt it?

originally posted by: yuppa
You are forgetting PIRACY and black markets that will make it next to impossible to control all the information. your outlook assumes the corporations replace the government. you are a pessimistic and will always see things as bad. Life must suck and be devoid of any happiness am I right? Goth went out with grunge rock didnt it?

Goth will always be with us even if Hot Topic isn't

originally posted by: yuppa
You are forgetting PIRACY and black markets that will make it next to impossible to control all the information. your outlook assumes the corporations replace the government. you are a pessimistic and will always see things as bad. Life must suck and be devoid of any happiness am I right? Goth went out with grunge rock didnt it?

The "war on drugs" will simply be replaced by the war on "black market singularity tech"? So instead of a no-knock warrant, you'll get a warrant-less breach/hack of your virtual existence. At best, what you suggest here will be nothing more than an illegal opiate for the underclasses. None of what you keep referring to will stop the "owners of capital" from chewing you up and spitting you out, should you turn up on their radar (i.e. participating in piracy and the black market), effectively interfering with their ability to generate compounding revenue and profits from wage slaves.

Also I doubt you are the type to drive a car from a "chop shop" because that's what the "black market" will be, at the price point for "full cyborg" tech. Basically you are saying that you will participate in the "black market" that will be stealing these "cyborg parts" from people who bought them or stolen directly from the manufacturers warehouses. That's mafia/syndicate level stuff, do you have the "Cojones" for that?

Its funny you guys keep avoiding my references to the "Peasants Revolt", but without action on that scale, everything you keep "wishing for" will NEVER come to pass. You can't erode existing power bases, that have been in place since the year 1066, by "crowdfunding" and "occupying wall street". You'll have no choice, other than to take it by force, just as the underclasses that came before you had to.

"Kumbaya" strategies have NEVER worked to incite sweeping change and they never will.

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: yuppa
You are forgetting PIRACY and black markets that will make it next to impossible to control all the information. your outlook assumes the corporations replace the government. you are a pessimistic and will always see things as bad. Life must suck and be devoid of any happiness am I right? Goth went out with grunge rock didnt it?

Goth will always be with us even if Hot Topic isn't

True. And Im done with the negative nancys who think they are nostradamus. Its a shame that socialism has bred such ignorance and fear of change that anyone who has a positive outlook is seen as a dummy and naive. Personally the rise of cyber tech will be used to help people to walk again,and improve life. Not everyone will go full cyborg or be pressurred to either.

originally posted by: yuppa
Personally the rise of cyber tech will be used to help people to walk again,and improve life. Not everyone will go full cyborg or be pressured to either.

Ah...but that's my point, you aren't talking about devices that RESTORE disabled peoples mobility, getting them back into society or the workforce, what you have been talking about is voluntarily lopping off limbs and replacing WORKING biological things like eyes and ears for "corporate controlled tech". What you have been advocating is NOT the same as helping the disabled. Make note, I am COMPLETELY for the development of devices that help the TRULY DISABLED.

Also, the Singularity, AI, Robotics and Mind Clones can't exist in a "stone age" (this ISN'T Shadowrun or Rifts, its real life where the economy has to support the cyborg maintenance infrastructure). If the 1st world financial system collapses, tech like the Singularity, AI, Robotics and Mind Clones, etc, will go with it. Those whom are investing in fantasies like going "full cyborg", nanobots or getting micro cellphone/computer implants in their bodies are going to be VERY sorry and are in for A WORLD OF HURT when the medical community is not sophisticated enough to maintain or remove unnecessary cyborg devices, post an economic depression, where the ENTIRE support system goes kaput.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: yuppa
You are forgetting PIRACY and black markets that will make it next to impossible to control all the information. your outlook assumes the corporations replace the government. you are a pessimistic and will always see things as bad. Life must suck and be devoid of any happiness am I right? Goth went out with grunge rock didnt it?

Goth will always be with us even if Hot Topic isn't

True. And Im done with the negative nancys who think they are nostradamus. Its a shame that socialism has bred such ignorance and fear of change that anyone who has a positive outlook is seen as a dummy and naive. Personally the rise of cyber tech will be used to help people to walk again,and improve life. Not everyone will go full cyborg or be pressurred to either.

I personally feel that in order for the exploration of the galaxy to take place the way so much of our sci-fi imagines then humanity will have to embrace some of these technologies such as genetic modification, nanotechnology and a merging with the synthetic. We just aren't built for the efficient exploration of deep space and will have to spend a fair amount on radiation shielding, food production, etc.

Humans may someday explore the galaxy but I suspect those humans will be homo technologicus rather than homo sapien.

Why am I reminded of this episode of Sealab?

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: yuppa
You are forgetting PIRACY and black markets that will make it next to impossible to control all the information. your outlook assumes the corporations replace the government. you are a pessimistic and will always see things as bad. Life must suck and be devoid of any happiness am I right? Goth went out with grunge rock didnt it?

Goth will always be with us even if Hot Topic isn't

True. And Im done with the negative nancys who think they are nostradamus. Its a shame that socialism has bred such ignorance and fear of change that anyone who has a positive outlook is seen as a dummy and naive. Personally the rise of cyber tech will be used to help people to walk again,and improve life. Not everyone will go full cyborg or be pressurred to either.

I personally feel that in order for the exploration of the galaxy to take place the way so much of our sci-fi imagines then humanity will have to embrace some of these technologies such as genetic modification, nanotechnology and a merging with the synthetic. We just aren't built for the efficient exploration of deep space and will have to spend a fair amount on radiation shielding, food production, etc.

Humans may someday explore the galaxy but I suspect those humans will be homo technologicus rather than homo sapien.

True . RAdiation resistence can be built in or artificially enhanced with nanomachine/cyber parts and or artificial organs. Imagine a nanomachine that is used to constantly scrub your blood for iradiated cells? Or artificial organs that rads do not build up inside.

With todays cheap copyrighted and consumer based economy...Yea right

originally posted by: Specimen
With todays cheap copyrighted and consumer based economy...Yea right

Copyright can be modified by the government at any time IF it serves the public good. They can commandeer it if they see fit.

Nanotechnology can revolutionize the idea of the human cyborg.


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Nanotechnology could change human biology forever. From prosthetic limbs and new burn treatments, to cancer detection and bones that heal in days or weeks, nanotech could be the future of medicine.

Nanotechnology is any technology that allows for manipulation of matter beginning at the nanometer (nm) scale, commonly on the 1–100 nm range. According to nanomedical expert Frank Boehm, "[t]he ability to work at this scale will allow for the fabrication of unique materials and devices with improved and novel properties, such as enhanced water repellency (superhydrophobicity) or the increased performance of chemical reactions (catalysis) due to dramatically increased active surface areas."

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Ghost in the shells cyborgs are nanomachined. A cheaper version would be to use nanomachines to change a human body into a cybernetic being by modifying bones into something similiar to diamond or carbonizing them. enhancing the brain with artificial neurons on top of natural ones or replacing them out right in brain dead patients.

originally posted by: Specimen
With todays cheap copyrighted and consumer based economy...Yea right

Also, don't forget trademarks and patents.

You are wasting your breath, for the most part, these guys have no idea how the real world works in either a legal or business sense. In fact, based on their responses, they seem to know so little, I have to assume they are 15 years old at this point.

a reply to: boohoo

quick point. government can take any patent it wants for itself if its for the public good.