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originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: [post=19510781]
She simply told me to call the Gov. office in AL,
she refused to supply even the smallest shred
of proof of her assertion that the bill
stops gay marriage.
It does not.
I provided full links to the actual bill requiring that the parties entering into the contract be "legally authorized to be married" as well as a link to the Alabama State Constitution explicitly saying that same-sex marriages were not authorized....and any contract that "replicates marriage".
If you still don't get it...see here..
This does not open up marriage for same-sex couples. According to the legislation
Read more at freedomoutpost.com...
or here
Attorney Jake Watson explained to WHNT 19 News:
“A statement that the parties are legally authorized to be married, that’s going to be the catch. What is legally authorized to be married? Under the State of Alabama Law, that would not include same-sex marriage,” he said.
www.dallasvoice.com...
or here
Alabama finds new way to ban gay marriage
Since Alabama law does not permit same-sex marriages, gay couples couldn't file a contract saying they are legally allowed to marry.
www.dailykos.com...
or here
hotair.com...
Let me know if you need more ...
originally posted by: Kapriti
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask
One thing is that they need to take out 'clergy member' as one to act as witness of the contract. Leave the clergy and religion out of it altogether at the level of government.
13 This bill would also authorize the judge of
14 probate to collect a fee for recording the contract
15 of marriage. This bill would provide that the fee
16 currently collected by the judge of probate and
17 paid to the district attorney upon issuance would
18 be paid when the marriage contract is presented for
19 recording.
20 This bill would provide for an additional
21 fee to be paid to the General Fund.
g) A recording fee of twenty-five dollars ($25)
18 pursuant to Section 12-19-90, Code of Alabama 1975, an
19 additional fee of thirty dollars ($30) pursuant to Section
20 30-6-11, Code of Alabama 1975, and an additional fee of twenty
21 dollars ($20) pursuant to Section 3 shall be paid to the judge
22 of probate upon filing of a marriage contract pursuant to this
23 act.
"(3) Grant of letters of guardianship or
2 conservatorship, three certified copies ..... 20.00
3 "(4) Partial or final settlement of guardianship or
4 conservatorship ..... 15.00
"(5) Each additional certified copy of letters
6 testamentary, letters of administration, or letters of
7 guardianship or conservatorship ..... 3.00
"(6) Proceedings in filing and granting petition of
9 adoption, including one certified copy of decree for
10 petitioner, one certified copy for the Department of Human
11 Resources, and one copy to the State Bureau of Vital
12 Statistics. (Fee shall apply to each child adopted) .....75.00
8) Proceedings in change of name ..... 15.00
"(5) Witnesses certificate ..... 3.00
2 "(6) Order of publication ..... 3.00
3 "(7) Posting order of publication, each ..... 3.00
4 "(8) Notice by mail to creditor and heirs, each
5 ..... 3.00
6 "(9) Each notice not otherwise provided for .....
7 3.00
8 "(10) Issuing commission to take testimony .....
9 10.00
10 "(11) Entering returns of sheriff, printer, or
11 commissioner, each ..... 3.00
12 "(12) Appointment of guardian ad litem, special
13 attorney, or administrator ad litem ..... 5.00
14 "(13) Approving bonds ..... 10.00
15 "(14) Presiding in noncontested cause or examining
16 papers, pleadings, taking testimony, etc. ..... 10.00
17 "(15) Presiding in contested cause, per day .....
18 25.00
19 "(16) Examining vouchers, each ..... 1.00
20 "(17) Examining and entering decree or other order
21 ..... 3.00
22 "(18) Drafting decree ..... 10.00
23 "(19) Each certificate with seal 3.00
24 "(20) Each certificate without seal ..... 3.00
25 "(21) Filing and docketing each claim ..... 3.00
IT GOES ON AND ON...I cant even tell what this has to do with marriage, but it costs 400?
Discharging his or her duties in relation
11 to public roads, on proof to the county commission that he or
12 she had discharged such duties, annually, to be paid out of
13 the county treasury or, in the discretion of the county
14 commission, to be paid out of the county gasoline tax fund,
15 not exceeding ..... 400.00
originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
Well this is a sorry state of affairs! I was so optimistic at first read, but the more I read......... too bad -- sneaking in the back door. At least it's been defeated.
originally posted by: J.B. Aloha
a reply to: Megatronus
What opponents to 'gay marriage'? All I've seen here are those who support equality in one's liberty of contract; and staunchly support getting government out of the marriage 'license' [privelidge] business for everyone.
... If this proves not to serve those ends, as appears to be shown in some capacity, it is a travesty, and should be called the spade it is.
originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: NiZZiM
would you be ok with a state banning a religion?
originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes
Did gay marriage opponents think all along that homosexuals wanted to force themselves into hostile churches to get married? Is that what they're going to pretend this has all been about?
originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: pavil
I believe there is no separation between church and state in the UK. The church of England is linked directly to the government, so I could see valid lawsuits over there. That is not the case here in America, where there is no official "Church of the USA".
originally posted by: Megatronus
The only reason people suddenly want the government out of marriage is because they don't want to let gays marry. This seems like a thinly veiled attempt to deny gay marriage. The religious (and some non religious) right don't like the fact the government have stepped in and said everyone has to be equal and that marriage is now open to same sex couples so suddenly they want government out of the equation.
Going to war over religion is like fighting over who has the better imaginary friend.
originally posted by: grandmakdw
originally posted by: Megatronus
originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: Indigo5
So SB377 succeeds in removing the federal government from Marriage while supplanting it with State government and continues to deny gay people the right to enter into that contract as per the State Constitution.
Yes, by George I think you've got it! (thanks)
No wonder the opponents of gay marriage are tripping over themselves to support this then. It basically denies same sex marriage while appearing not to. Very shady.
No it doesn't AngelDoll made the whole thing up.
Look at my replies to her, and her replies to me.
She made it up just to get people to think what you just said.
Sorry, she had an agenda and made up stuff to support it,
and then claimed she had given proof, when she had not,
and then got upset when asked for proof of her assertion.
You try asking her for proof,
she will claim she already posted it in the thread,
then look through the thread,
you won't find it.
Maybe you can get her to finally give proof of
her assertion.
She simply told me to call the Gov. office in AL,
she refused to supply even the smallest shred
of proof of her assertion that the bill
stops gay marriage.
It does not.