originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: TrueBrit
I don't usually reply to replies to my post as the replier usually always is locked into a conventional mind set the government wants us all to have
via its multiple tentacles. Such is the case here. The progression to accepting my words is simple in the situation in point IF you can accept that
UFO are fairly much as they appear, machines that do not require air to move but have some other capability.
I think that you are under a misapprehension, and so I would like to begin my response by clearing it up. No one, not a single soul on Earth, has come
forward with any accumulation of data significant enough to comprise proof of either what UFO are, how they operate, or how they are powered, or any
other reliable conclusion of any kind. There is much speculation, and a huge amount of opinion, but little to no probative scientific data.
If you deny credibility of my words, they you deny tons of data about apparently genuine UFOs, and our ability to produce similar devices such as the
"black triangles." You would have us still locked into aerodynamic machines of which are of very limited utility which is exactly what TPTB
government want us to think.
I deny that there is any data of any significance, short of eyewitness accounts. No data on UFO that I have come across in the last eight years, or
in my researches previous to joining here, has ever been comprised of information which was not hugely subjective, requiring a certain degree of
suspension of disbelief. I will suspend my disbelief for the purpose of being entertained, but I do not accept that suspending disbelief is an
appropriate way to research and think about the subject of UFO. Show me some laboratory results that show with out doubt that some sort of Higgs Boson
Manipulator drive has been used in our atmosphere, and I will recant on everything I have just said. Otherwise, I will, rather sensibly, retain my
Forget any talk about anti-gravity. I really didn't mention that aspect except it is a side-aspect of a massless drive unit.
Nothing I have put down in my post nor others addressing this situation is wrong, misleading or pure BS. The proof is that UFOs are real and by a
logical association so are our re-engineered vehicles. You have no argument unless you totally deny UFOs as real, which of course, allows you the
backbone for saying a massless drive capability is impossible. Then you have to throw out some of the implied implications that Boeing has patented.
In effect, you have no evidence of denying a massless drive, or UFOs for that matter and, thus, offer a baseless rejection of the plain truth that
many thousands of people have personally witnessed.
I would argue that your stating things as fact, which remain pure speculation at best IS misleading, and is indeed BS. You have been here long enough
to know much better than that Aliensun. UFO are called UFO, because we do not know what they are. We do not know if they are vehicles or anything
about what they are, we do not know where they come from, and we have no idea just how many different kinds might be out there. Specifically, all we
really know about them, is that there is a significant interest in sightings, that much eyewitness testimony (the least useful evidence that anyone
has ever bought forward, about anything, as studies into its usefulness actually show) has been reported, and that after decades of frenzied interest,
there has been nothing more substantial discovered that anyone can actually solidly confirm by physical proof.
UFO are a real phenomenon, that is not in dispute. What is in significant dispute, is what they actually are, what motivates them, what controls
them, and what physics are at play in their construction, and this is all data that one would need, and need to understand, in order to say anything
solid about them.
Granted I'm no physicist, but anybody can understand the obvious and hidden aspect of a field that allows a craft to float without the effects of
gravity, its mass and inertia. If that field can repel objects coming into it, then it damned well can produce the effects to drive the machine as
I've briefly explained here and elsewhere. Maybe I should alert Boeing about this aspect that they evidently never dreamed about?
Unfortunately, your situation appears to be much worse than merely being "no physicist". I am not a degree toting physicist either, but even I
understand that your statement that " if that field can repel objects coming into it, then it damned well can produce the effects to drive the machine
as I've briefly explained here and elsewhere" is deeply flawed. For a start, this shield, specifically CANNOT repel solid objects traveling toward the
protected vehicle. It is designed to repel explosive shock waves by application of a measured counter force, but cannot deflect solid rounds, like
bullets and impact triggered missiles.
Furthermore, there is a significant difference between a system which can repel an explosive pressure wave, which in actual fact is a fairly mundane
trick and can be done with simple C4 plastic explosive if one measures the charge correctly, and what you are alluding to, in terms of a system which
creates a null state regarding Newtonian effects on a given vehicle. For a start, this system does not change the relationship between the vehicle it
protects, and the basic nature of the space and time around the vehicle. It alters the temperature and pressure, yes, but not the fact that gravity
exists, and acts on all things. Nor does it alter the mass of the vehicle itself.
Let us assume for a moment that ALL UFO are in fact, alien craft, or human engineered craft back engineered from something that crashed or landed
here. If that is the case, then the only mechanism which would allow them to operate, is by careful, and focused control over the Higgs Boson. No
accumulation of lasers and microwaves is going to allow this. In order to even make the blasted thing manifest to be identified, leave alone
controlled, VAST amounts of power have to be diverted into a system which throws electrons into a machine, where they are shot around a particle
collider tens of kilometres in circumference. Machines the size of a house have to be used in order to locate the resulting mess of subatomic
particles, and sift them for evidence of the presence of that boson.
But the Higgs would be crucial to creating an anti-gravity effect, since gravity is relative to mass, and the Higgs is the particle which imparts
mass onto other particles, and so by controlling it, one could, in theory, create regions of mass concentration which could potentially counter the
normal behaviour of gravity, in a localised area. However, the Higgs Boson has only recently been confirmed as an existent thing, and so machinery
which claims to have mastered control of it is DECADES, if not CENTURIES away at this point, and our understanding of the physics involved in such a
venture is laughable at best, if not bloody infantile at this point.
Please do not wear your lack of understanding of physics like a badge of pride. It results in your comments in this thread, and on this topic,
amounting to nothing more than baseless, ill thought out, and ill informed speculation.