Russia says will retaliate if U.S. weapons stationed on its borders

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: dragonridr

Saying that Poland is military ahead of Russia is such a nonsense. It just shows how much you actually know, and proves that you are talking rubbish. Russia could take down any of the NATO countries in a 1vs1 scenario, but of course, if you attack one NATO country, it's as if you attack them all.

And why exactly would Putin try to invade any country? Just because your MSM and your gang is saying so? Just because you think he will do it, it doesn't mean that he is going to.

One question. Where's Iraq nuclear or EVEN chemical weapon? There's none? What? How could that be...

Actually, your entire post is a BS. Just shows you've got no idea what you talking about. Why do i even bother...

Russia could take down small NATO countries like Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. Poland would pose a problem. Russia fields a military of of over 700,000 personnel however, only about 280,000 are professionals the remainder are 1 year conscripts. The Polish military fields a active for of 99,000 professionals. Now Russia has larger reserves and Poland has reserves and home guard as well but, they would require a great deal of training to get up speed with modern combat.

So what could Russia afford to deploy to invade Poland? Not much. Its professional forces are busy in Ukraine meaning many of Russia's QRF and Elite units are unavailable. Russia also has to secure its borders with potentially hostile states like Georgia, Romania, Finland, Belarus, Ukraine and a massive border with China and other former Soviet states. Not to mention forces to deal with internal problems in the south. It has to keep its garrisons in Armenia or else Azerbaijan will move on them most likely supported by Georgia and the Turks (who have and active military almost as large as Russia). And of course you have to worry about what the US might do. This is a real problem as the US Air Force has the largest air force in the world and the US Navy has the second largest air force in the world.

Then you have the same worries you had in Georgia. Units that has sold off the explosives in their armor, units that had personnel only on paper, no ability to communicate between anybody leading to the friendly shoot down of Russian aircraft and thus the failure of Russia to ever achieve air superiority over Georgia's tiny air force. And in Ukraine units are completely unprepared and unaware they even going into combat until they arrive, leading more bad morale through out the entire military.

Traditionally you need at least a 3 to 1 advantage over a defender. That would require Russia to have 300,000 men to deal with Poland without reserves and 600,000 with reserves on both sides called out. Try and work those numbers out if you are Russia.

And if your Russia just NATO member Turkey alone on your southern flank who can deploy a million men with reserves is a nightmare not to mention that when you add Turkeys buddy's Georgia and Azerbaijan to the mix.

The real threat from Russia is that they simply rush in and take small piece of territory as they have done in Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova reinforce it and then force you to escalate the war to take it back. That is what Russia bets on, if it grabs a bit of Finland would NATO go to war for that? Or if Russia grabbed a small town in Estonia would NATO go to war for that.

This is why pre pro equipment and fast reaction forces are being placed in the region. They can respond right away before Russia could secure a small piece of territory and reinforce it and make you escalate the conflict.

This is the threat Russia represents not one of invading an holding an entire state.

a reply to: MrSpad

the beauty of captilism and running massive budget surpluses. which all the bric nation's are betting on. is you don't need any of that.

you just buy it.

greece is next IMHO...

originally posted by: devilmoon
a reply to: MrSpad

the beauty of captilism and running massive budget surpluses. which all the bric nation's are betting on. is you don't need any of that.

you just buy it.

greece is next IMHO...

FUNNY You say that Russia is being bought by China.
news.vice.com...

a reply to: dragonridr

russia provides the fuel and refining capability. china the man power india the computation. still not sure where Brazil fits in. probably laundering the money into the west.

but there is no deficit between any of them. and you'll need a lot more than vice news hyperbole to suggest differently.

a reply to: MrSpad
Russia and Poland, you compare the manpower, let's also include the all essential driving force for war the supply side. Russia has an enormous engineering, can count on the enormous fossil fuel supplies that dwarf everyone, metal reouces that are top end and world leading, military infrastructure that stretches over half the Planet Earth, agriculture that is enormous when needed, you name it, Russia's got it and ton loads of it, while Poland is a small nation that lacks all the essential resources to maintain war for any length of time, they would be strangled in no time.In their central European location small and surrounded position they are a 'Germany' type nation and whatever they do they will always lose in the long run.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: MrSpad
Russia and Poland, you compare the manpower, let's also include the all essential driving force for war the supply side. Russia has an enormous engineering, can count on the enormous fossil fuel supplies that dwarf everyone, metal reouces that are top end and world leading, military infrastructure that stretches over half the Planet Earth, agriculture that is enormous when needed, you name it, Russia's got it and ton loads of it, while Poland is a small nation that lacks all the essential resources to maintain war for any length of time, they would be strangled in no time.In their central European location small and surrounded position they are a 'Germany' type nation and whatever they do they will always lose in the long run.

If this was a video game and Russia and Poland existed in a vacuum. They do not. Russia is already having a manpower problems dealing with Ukraine. And Russia's big problems in Georgia still have not been fixed. With corruption at every level of the military wrecking two attempts at reforms. A Russian invasion of Poland would likely go the way of the Soviet invasion of Finland.

originally posted by: devilmoon
a reply to: dragonridr

russia provides the fuel and refining capability. china the man power india the computation. still not sure where Brazil fits in. probably laundering the money into the west.

but there is no deficit between any of them. and you'll need a lot more than vice news hyperbole to suggest differently.

BRICS is a trade group. And not a very good one at that. They are not a military grouping. In fact, Brazil is allied to the US through the Rio Pact, and is home to the US only permanent military facility in South America, South Africa is a major mover and shaker of the African Union which has signed a series of military cooperation agreements with NATO and is home US ships making ports stops as the cross the cape, India has just signed a bunch trade and defense agreements with the US and Japan as a direct counter to China. And China has not recognized Russia's annexation of Crimea nor has China supported Russia in the UN when Russia was condemned for the Crimea referendum. I do not know why you bring up a group like BRICS that has failed to ever agree upon a singe trade agreement and all nations except India suffer economic turns downs since it was created.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: dragonridr

Yeah I saw that. The irony lol.

I don't see how Putin thinks he is going to come out of this mess he created. Now that NATO called his bluff he is even more screwed now. He is still trying to pass the Russian economy off as stable and growing.

I seriously think Putin thought his saber rattling would be enough to scare the west away.

And what is it that the West has done exactly, to stop Putin from taking Crimea? Not a thing. Because they cant.
The only way is full blown nuclear war, and then everyone loses..even the west.

Russia will do what it wants with Ukraine, and the West will sit back, pretend to give a damn for it's own domestic consumption(you are a case in point on this...huge LOL's at the propaganda being regurgitated as "facts"), while Ukraine gets screwed.
Ukraine will be divided anyway into two states. And that's if the Russian's don't take eastern Ukraine as well.
There will be a separate western Ukrainian state..question is how small it will be after Putin is finished.

It's going to be hilarious watching Putin do what he wants, as he has been all this time, with the West simply paying lip service and a few punitive measures to make it look like they are doing something so the brain dead sheep in their countries keep voting for them. SNIP

a reply to: MrSpad

nope.
they started off as a trade group.
that changed over the last few years into full transparency military collaberations.

you think snowden and his Mrs now "just" works for moscow...
nope. how do you think the Chinese got the full download of every us database up to and including the personell files for everyone with a us govt contract...

WWIII is already happening
right now its mostly a cyber war with open season on g7 infrastructure.

and the West is loosing hearts and minds at a pace never seen before. stuff like the ever more blatent censorship such as on the previous page just goes to demonstrate that we all know it. but some are having a much harder time accepting it than others.

so when russia says they will retaliate. what they mean is the bric nation's will continue to push the g7 that little bit deeper into the red, that little bit faster. because the west gave them the justifications they needed to do exactly that.

a reply to: mortex

It's going to be hilarious watching Putin do what he wants,

What could be funnier than death and enslavement, right?

a reply to: devilmoon

You live in a fantasy world is this the stuff they are telling the Russians. China will probably pull out of brics India isn't going to ally with China on anything. And the only economy in the bricks growing the way it should is india. Everyone else is in a downturn. Partly do to RUSSIA On that one. And their is no way china is going to do anyrhing to upset the apple cart they need US exports it's over half their economy. And guess what the US now has a larger oil supply then saudi arabia. The US is outputting 11 million barrels daily. While Russian production has slowed because huge oil companies capped alot of projects that had in Russia. As far as industrial I'm Russia Im really trying not to laugh they were behind Ukraine. Most of the factories are outdated in desperate need to be retooled. And it's getting so bad they are having a problem making their payrolls.

Industrial power just isn't theit Putin should have waited a decade before starting this mess since last year that was going to be a major effort now they can't afford it.

a reply to: devilmoon

Bricks is not a military alliance.

originally posted by: devilmoon
a reply to: MrSpad

nope.
they started off as a trade group.
that changed over the last few years into full transparency military collaberations.

you think snowden and his Mrs now "just" works for moscow...
nope. how do you think the Chinese got the full download of every us database up to and including the personell files for everyone with a us govt contract...

WWIII is already happening
right now its mostly a cyber war with open season on g7 infrastructure.

and the West is loosing hearts and minds at a pace never seen before. stuff like the ever more blatent censorship such as on the previous page just goes to demonstrate that we all know it. but some are having a much harder time accepting it than others.

so when russia says they will retaliate. what they mean is the bric nation's will continue to push the g7 that little bit deeper into the red, that little bit faster. because the west gave them the justifications they needed to do exactly that.

BRICS is all but dead, the only thing they will ever manage is the bank which will really just be a Chinese bank dressed up like something else. India and China are in BRICS they are also two nations to most likely go to war with each other. India has signed massive trade and defense deals with the US to counter China. And the new Japan/US/India trilateral has been not only working together to deal with China but, recruiting other Pacific states like Vietnam. Vietnam who is China's bitter enemy and being supplied with advanced weapons by? Yep Russia. Something the Chinese are not happy about.

Brazil is in a major scuffle with one of Russia's only friends Venezuela after a bus of Brazilian senators were stoned and chased away because Venezuela is accusing Brazil of trying to launch a coup. And Brazil remains a part of the Rio Pact a military alliance that includes the US. And it should be noted that Brazil joined in recent NATO/African Union joint naval exercises for the first time.

And China has been stealing away trade and influence from Russia in the eastern Former Soviets States something Russia is going to have to deal with sooner or later.

Not only is BRICS not ever going to fight on the same side, they are some the states most likely to end up fighting each other.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: devilmoon

Bricks is not a military alliance.

It's strange every pro russian brings up brics like somehow this is going to destroy the west. And then they start talking about how they are going to conquer the world. No they aren't a military aliance and you could never get these countries to work together. Brazil is firmly in US pocket India is trying to move to the west wanting to purchase f22s and cancelling the russian orders. China Needs the us more than russia. So again brics won't fight for Russia. About all russia has is syria and I'd bet even that's iffy.

a reply to: Xcathdra
it is now.
www.themoscowtimes.com...

a reply to: devilmoon

A generic link to the Moscow times website (no article linked) still does not prove bricks is a military alliance - which it is not.

Try again.

a reply to: Xcathdra

its probably serving you different content. they do that alot. works fine for me.

the title of the article is

"Russia Plans Joint Military Exercises With China and India"

and includes details of their technical collaberation on the hypersonic high maneuverability nuke capable delivery platform (which is a much better, cheaper delivery platform than a puny. cancelled. f22). among several other things

a reply to: devilmoon

Then feel free to link directly to the article so we all can read it.

ETA - nvm found it. I see why you didn't link to it as it has nothing to do with bricks.

Russia Plans Joint Military Exercises With China and India

The joint military training exercises will have a focus on peace-keeping and anti-terrorist activities, the statement said.

Why are you trying to claim this as brics? Why would you state we are wrong about bricks not being a military alliance when your source does not support your argument it went military. Why did you link to just the homepage when you know how to link to specific articles as you have done in other threads? Why are you using an article from may 2015?

Why would you think lying / misleading / omitting info / trying to pull a fast one in hopes no one notices would work?

Why even bother to post / argue your position if you can't back it up? Do you even care as to how this makes you look to other members? The goal of this site is to deny ignorance. To many lies are told by both sides of this mess. We don't need people adding to that who post on these forums.

Respectfully
I am asking you to stop adding to the confusion and actually think about how you want your post to come across and support it with links so everyone can read and determine themselves if the info is reliable or not.

Bricks is not a military alliance.

Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn are big fans of Putin and likewise.
People diss russia too much based on previous dictators which of whom have nothing to do with Putin at all.

a reply to: awareness10

Then compare Putin to Hitler and see the similarities.