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Other variable to take note of - which affect knowing which path is taken - is the state of M1, 'on' or 'off'. Always bear in mind, that you can either measure at the slit, or you can measure at M2, you can't measure both at the same time. Do pay attention in science.
The double-slit quantum eraser experiment described in this article has three stages:[1] First, the experimenter reproduces the interference pattern of Young's double-slit experiment by shining photons at the double-slit interferometer and checking for an interference pattern at the detection screen. Next, the experimenter marks through which slit each photon went, without disturbing its wavefunction, and demonstrates that thereafter the interference pattern is destroyed. This stage indicates that it is the existence of the "which-path" information that causes the destruction of the interference pattern. Third, the "which-path" information is "erased," whereupon the interference pattern is recovered. (Rather than removing or reversing any changes introduced into the photon or its path, these experiments typically produce another change that obscures the markings earlier produced.)
Conscious access to the information about the outcome of a measurement of a quantum state is not necessary for the collapse of wave function
You dont get this entire situation.
originally posted by: HotMale
Says the guy that made another long winded post refuting something I didn't say or even suggest. I wasn't talking about you. I was saying that there would be nothing to explain if you could ascribe all weird quantum results to the apparatus.
Like with the experiment from another thread were you ascribed the weirdness to the particle interacting with the pathway which happened to be a laser beam.
You really think these scientists haven't thought of that. You really think these setups and their parts aren't tested to rule out these things.You really think they would pass their peer reviews? There would not be a consensus that continuous inherent flaws in the experimental setups are the cause for all Quantum mystery on which no consensus can seem to be reached?
Cause that is what you are saying.
Why are they making the distinction between ACCESS and CONSCIOUS access.
A machine is doing the actual measurement in both cases...
originally posted by: HotMale
a reply to: ImaFungi
Again you reply with a post that has nothing to do with was said in the post it was directed at.
No, there is no machine making a measurement. Machines are being used to manipulate the photons, measurement is being made by human.
The distinction is between the arbiters doing the actual measurement...machine or human.
(first of all it is access*)
If things happen in the universe with no physical reasons, then the universe is fake. What is your theorized physical reason as to how what happens happens?
Can you explain the actual point you were making?
You'll notice that others easily grasped the point I made, why not you?
originally posted by: HotMale
Can you rephrase and be more specific? I don't understand what you want from me exactly.
originally posted by: HotMale
a reply to: elysiumfire
You'll notice that others easily grasped the point I made, why not you?
Yes hihi. Because it ignores the important point, just like you all keep ignoring it. That's why I don't understand what your point is exactly, and your buddies agree with you.
I'm just trying to understand why you are so resistant to the information being presented to you here.
If consciousness effects results, or if 'the future effects the past', there would be explict and undeniable physical reasons as to how these things occur, and there would be no contradictions.