What is actually the Mummy of the so called Roswell Slides? it is really Human or Not and Why?

a reply to: Jonjonj

Yes, Miguel A Alvarez Martinez is an Industrial Engineer and the Institute is a Private company, it is located in Morelia, the capital of the State of Michoacan, to the west of Mexico.

inacifo.mx.tripod.com...

Now who is the Coordinator of the institute Mrs Violeta Rosa Rubio Garibay is also functionary of the State Secretary of Michoacan, her is her page on the website of the goverment of the State.

segob.michoacan.gob.mx...

Now, I am perfectly aware that you don't like the fact that they use in the institute personal emails, like Yahoo, Terra or hotmail, but if Mrs Hillary Clinton, when she was State Secretary of the United States was using personal emails too in to handle official issues, well this is nothing out of this world.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: AndyMayhew

Well Dear AndyMayhew,

A Human body can be mummified even under natural conditions, without any special preparation by experts embalmers. This use to occur in extremely dry places of earth, were the lack of humidity preserve naturally the corpses.

The are various famous places in the world where this occur spontaneously, the region of Guanajuato in Mexico is one, the desert of Atacacama to the north of Chile , also can occur in place where there is no water but just ice like the High peaks of Alps in Europe or high Andes Peru in South America.

This kind of mummies are called natural ones by the antropologists.

www.mummiesoftheworld.com...

www.ancientegypt.co.uk...

www.emlii.com...

Famous natural mummies are:

Tollund Man (390 BC - 350 BC) : DENMARK

The Beauty of Xiaohe (Lived 3800 years ago) : CHINA

The Cherchen Man (Died around 1000 BC) : CHINA

Otzi The Iceman (3300 BC -3255 BC) : ITALY

The Grauballe Man (Late 3rd Century BC) : DENMARK

La Doncella (Death Estimated between 1450 and 1480): South America

It is perfectly possible that an Alien Crash may happened centuries of thousands years ago somewhere in an area with natural conditions to promote the mummification of the corpse.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

I appreciate the respect used when answering these replies.
I also appreciate the respect used when composing the thread.

The fact that Miguel A Alverez Martinez uses his own qualifications as validity for this subject is sadly rather circular, and helps nobody but those who wish to find the truth, for which I am grateful by the way.

The truth is that the slides were shown to have come from an exhibit from a museum, that much surely is not in dispute.

If the question has now become, was the original museum exhibit wrong, then that is another thread entirely.

Your last response to me is erroneous, I never said that I cared in any way about Yahoo emails.

Yours.

a reply to: Jonjonj

Hi Jonjon,

Yes, my apologize, was another person replying to you in the thread who suggested it was funny and possibly very suspicious that they were using public domain email accounts for their business.

Now, what I have proposed here is to evaluate a hypothesis that is neither the original one of Jaime Maussan or Tom Carey, neither the one of the rest of experts that are contradicting them, like Anthony Bragaglia or Jose Caravaca.

I never have suggested or claimed that this mummy correspond to what happened in 1947 in Roswell Texas.

The point is that since my hypothesis is so distinct and original that it is easily confused with the others by the people that is still so much affected by the scandal around the Slides.

I believe both teams can have partially reason, but not completely. This is indeed either a natural or an artificial mummy but may not be human after all.

Now, The mummy has been linked with three different museums by the different specialists , not with just only one, there is no consensus in that aspect.

At this point there are three candidates to be the mummy in question, one is the unknown mummy of Mesa Verde, CO, that nobody actually has ever seen , there are no photos of it, and supposedly was returned to the Native Americans in the 1990s. But also we have the mummy of the Million Dollar museum in White City, New Mexico, that is the closest located to Roswell area and also in the area where many times Bernard RAy used to travel in his job of Geologist, and finaly it is the Tebas Egyptian mummy boy that was once in Philadelphia and in the XIX century was moved to the Smithsonian Museum.

Now, I found extremely improbable that the first crash or landing of aliens in this planet was just less than a century ago. There is very well documented case of at least other incident occurred 50 years before, it is known as the case of Aurora, Texas, where also it is said a body was buried.

ufos.about.com...

www.youtube.com...

Now, we also know that it is said, in books and Newspapers of much older times that other events that have all the characteristics of crashes or ufo incidents occured in the XVIII century, that might be the first ones documented in the USA, but that does not mean must be the oldest ones. I am referring the UFO of New York in 1790 , and there was another one in 1865 close to St Louid MO, and in 1878 in Denyson Texas.

www.educatinghumanity.com...

en.wikipedia.org...

In Europe there were sightings on the XVII century over France and a little later over England. But even those sightings or incidents are so much recent if you check carefully many mysterious events that defy any scientific explanation and occurred even since thousands of years ago.

I am only requesting the people of the forum to remain open mind and try to see if there is something else as an outcome of the polemic over those slides. I have checked deeply the profile of the Mexican Physician and every time I am more convinced that he can't be a vulgar scammer.

Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness

Yes, I understand what you are saying, however, here is my question.

How is it even possible that a mummy photograph becomes the "smoking gun"? These guys had proof, right? They charged an inordinate amount of money for this show.
How could anyone really look at those slides and deduce, not that they were alien, but that they were anything but human?

You are suggesting that the original assessment may have been erroneous, I would like to see how that is the case.

It is a bit like saying the killer was x when x has been long buried. It us very useful for your defence but not really believable. (By you I do not mean you as a person)

I am sorry, there is nothing but shame here. And shame does not help us at all!

a reply to: Jonjonj

Well, I know the Auditorium has a minimum cost to be rented for an event of 200,000 dollars, and of the total capacity of 10,000 there were only around 6000 seats used on that day, in their immense majority corresponded to the cheapest seats that paid about 20 dollars per person.

My estimation of what the show produced, from the people that was physically present, is that the organizers couldn't collect more than 400,000 dollars. Now the costs of the preproduction of all what is showed that night is substantial and I am very skeptical that the people that followed the event in stream were enough to produce a really huge profit.

I say this since it was already enough discredited in advance everywhere to prevent a massive sale of stream connection fees. The interviews to Maussan on the 2 weeks before were pathetic, he was literally obfuscated by the negativity of almost all the media.

People like Tom Carey, Don Schmitt, Richard Dolan and Anthony Bragaglia have all pointed that the omission of high resolution images by Adam Dew was the origin of all the issue, so I understood that Maussan was just the very last link of the chain and well possibly he also believed it was genuine.

Now, here there were three other fatal mistakes:

1) No body even thought that this could be certainly the photo of an Alien but corresponding to another very different incident than Roswell 1947. If this same event would be announced to be of a possible alien image that nobody certainly know where and when it was taken, maybe the scandal never would have reached this magnitude.

2) When somebody was able with high resolution images, shared by Adam Dew after the show, to unblur the placard, was that everything exploded, all the ones that were involved entered in panic. The dream team became divided, they were not prepared to handle such possibility.

3) The shock of the placard deciphering , Just in the first 72 hours after the show, produced three different theories of which mummy was the one depicted in the slides, supported by different researchers. There was no agreement in which one was, because also people that didn't support the event wanted to show their point, to get credit or fame as the debunkers of the hoax.

www.mirror.co.uk...

mysteriousuniverse.org...

www.blueblurrylines.com...

www.blueblurrylines.com...

Now, I have at this point two observations to make:

1) There is people with unquestionable reputation that attended the show and they still support the fact that the image of the slide correspond to an alien, In particular the Astronaut Edgar Mitchel, who was a boy in Roswell in the time of the crash, the only witness of Roswell that actually saw the bodies in the Hangar of the Air force, Mr Eleazar Benavides , and finally the Canadian Expert in forensic Sciences Richard Doble

www.youtube.com...

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2)A placard of a Museum is not infallible , it can contain a mistake, there have been cases in the past of objects that were misclassified by curators and remain exhibited in the wrong category for years. There is people that have based all their criticism against the analysis of the experts in favor of the image, exclusively in the unblurring of an old placard. We can't assume that a label written by a person that possibly can be wrong is like the Bible.

ir.library.oregonstate.edu...

www.peter.unmack.net...

Misidentification of Zuni Tribal objects in museums

This risk of misclassification is so high that even there are objects that have been changed from one category to other along years, depending of the prevailing dominant theory of the epoch.

The so called Bagdad battery is one example:

en.wikipedia.org...

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

The Dendera Light is another example:

en.wikipedia.org...

www.harunyahya.com...

The classification of historic items, as well as ancient objects many times depend of the criteria of who is handling them, what was his mentality, his education, his values, what theories he favored or he rejected.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

I dont mind the experts that did this. But just basing the entire argument on one still photo...that's...dissapointing. I admit I havent been up to date with the whole "Roswel slides" thing...but is this it ? One photo ?

I do "believe"....we are being visited...but this analysis is not the proof. Actually i dont see a difference between this photo and many more previous "alien autopsy " photos.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Well Dear MarioOnTheFly,

That is precisely the reason for which it is extremely important to identify clearly and beyond any doubt what mummy is the one showed in the slides.

We can't feel that the issue of the slides is fully clarified until to find that mummy and certify it is the one depicted in the pictures taken by Mrs Hilda Blair.

I know many have demonized and also ridiculed the award in money that the Mexican Journalist Jaime Maussan is offering for whoever provides a determinant identification of the mummy and its precise location, but to be sincere it is the only really honest thing to do to close the case.

The case is not closed at all with arguments that pretend to go around the issue and provide a very doubtful identification just using old records of a museum that by the way is perhaps the only in the world that doesn't follow the minimally acceptable standards of protocols in the handling of items by correctly cataloging them with photos.

It is unacceptable to say that a mummy after almost a century of exhibition in a place never at all was pictured in no way, that is in some way lack of respect to the public opinion.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

originally posted by: The angel of light
We can't feel that the issue of the slides is fully clarified until to find that mummy and certify it is the one depicted in the pictures taken by Mrs Hilda Blair.

Maybe you can't, but the rest of us absolutely can. By the way, the museum gave the mummy back to the native group from which it originated, so good luck finding it.

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

Yes, Really?

and never in almost a century having that so nice mummy they took one single picture of it, a long practically almost all the XX century in which photography, film, video and even cellular phones allow anybody to take a photo on a museum.

Please go and fool another with that tale. Why don't you tell me one good story by Garcia Marquez or the Grimm brothers, I think it is more believable.

How convenient is to chose an mummy that no body ever can recover to cut the turmoil in which many of the best authors of UFO literature took part isn't it?

First at all there is now way to prove that mummy is the one depicted in the slide, that is just a speculation released by the ones that were involved in to advertise it along years and now need a way to escape from the scandal.

It is more likely that the mummy that is on the slides is right now in the Smithsonian institute of Washington DC and has nothing to do with the native Americans but with the ancient Egyptians.

You can continue reading Children tales if you want, but I lost the taste for them long time ago.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

I'm out. There's no sense in arguing with a brick wall.

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

the proper term is 'debating' not 'arguing'...

the OP kinda has a point... but the reality of a bunch of pseudo-scientists masquerading behind trumped up credentials to try and salvage a lucrative, easy effort, money flow jobs from workshops and writing is grasping=at=straws

the purist the OP is trying to be is nullified by the persistence of 2nd and 3rd tier competence 'authorities' from high falutin positions...gussied up with the phrases 'military- armed forces' which only means to me (and many others) that the 'high-level' person could not make a wrinkle in the real world so they are snug in the military as the ultimate fallback...
this is especially true in 3rd world countries and in many SA/CA nations..... recall how Obama called IS the J.V. team ~~~ well that's what I think of the 'professionals' that continue to insist that a desert dried-out mummy baby is a 'Alien- off Planet" life form.... hogg-warsh!

a reply to: St Udio

Again St Udio, you are missing a so important point here, and following a Distraction Sophism released by the ones that want to close the case of the slides right now at any cost, even the one of to hide facts that are extremely evident.

Yes, it is unlikely that this mummy is related with the Roswell incident of 1947, but it could be an alien body that was found by an ancient civilization of the past, that is what we are discussing here.

There is a licensed Physician , a Surgeon and a Forensic specialist, that is also a Navy officer of high rank in his country, that has clearly and in straight forward way claimed that the corpse showed on the slides has so many anomalies together that are practically impossible to be a human being, and that is something that deserves a second analysis.

I would expect to see here people coming with medical arguments to debate what this specialist, Dr Jose de Jesus Zalce-Benitez is saying and not just with the cheapest analysis that is circulating in the web along weeks.

It is quite sad to see that the Ufology community seems to altogether think through the mind of Tony Bragaglia or whoever told him that this is The mummy that was never photographed of the Mesa Verde Archaeological museum.

Where are the other brains among the Ufologists ? To repeat as a parrot all what it was said by an author that was along many months, probably years, supporting these slides does not look an intelligent attitude, why Mr Bragaglia never talked albout Mesa Verde along all the time in between 2009 and 2014 when he knew about these slides?

How it was machined the version of the Mesa Verde Mummy? It was just in hours after the Mexico City show that suddenly he got an inspiration that enlightened his mind of what he and his friends were unable to know along years?

Why it can't be the Egyptian mummy of the Smithsonian Museum or the Native American one of the million dollar museum of White City, NM? mummies that were related with the slides in the week after the show of Mexico city.

it was not because those mummies are still present and in that way it is impossible to close the case immediately as Mr Bragaglia wants?
or perhaps it is better to say as the editorials that publish his books plus the books of Don Schmitt and Richard Dolan are demanding to do, a rapid and definitive closure of the scandal??
Do you have any idea of how many product in books of these authors is in the balance and for how much millions of dollars in the Market right now?

www.kgraradio.com...

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

Don Schmitt apologized, then he flipped.



Kevin Randle, who was previously somewhat patient and understanding is a bit less so now:

We are now told that it doesn’t matter what the placard says because we have all that “scientific” evidence from all those “authorities” who have examined the body on the slides. They say the body isn’t human and the placard is wrong.

Don Schmitt recants: The Roswell Slides and the Mummy's Placard

a reply to: CardDown

Well Dear CardDown,

It will not surprise me at all if at the end of the story this incident of the slides prove to be a Pandora box as none of these authors ever imagined could be, we may be in front of something even more intriguing of what initially it was said, it sounds for many absurd, but the urgency to give closure to the scandal with a so doubtful argument is blinding the ability of many to see beyond their noses.

There is a sense of irony in all this business, don't forget that for 1500 years the rosetta stone was used just as one more element of the foundation of a building in Egypt before somebody realized its crucial importance as the key of understanding an entire ancient civilization.

Although it is believed to have originally been displayed within a temple, possibly at nearby Sais, the stone was probably moved during the early Christian or medieval period and was eventually used as building material in the construction of Fort Julien near the town of Rashid (Rosetta) in the Nile Delta. It was rediscovered there in 1799 by a soldier, Pierre-François Bouchard, of the Napoleonic expedition to Egypt.

Lets see what unsuspected outcome will emerge from that small mummy.

en.wikipedia.org...


Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

I get your point angel. Finding the corpse would be super duper...but i think it is highly unreasonable to think it will be found.

I'm bothered by the theory that the military upon finding dead alien body would release it to some museum for public display. Unless...it's an incredibly brazzen attempt to hide it where no one would look. But...would they take that chance ? After rolling over and trying to cover up the whole thing ?

Does not compute to me...but i would like to be wrong.

The effort around this thing is perhaps benign and innocent in nature...but it has a feel of overreaching.

The problem is...we need stone cold irrefutable physical proof...and this aint it. Its almost like a youtube video of blinking lights in the sky at night...with people voices in the background saying ..."what is that !!!!??!...thats a UFO !!"

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Well Dear MarioOntheFly,

This mummy was never in custody of military establishment or any government agency, since it is not related at all with the three roswell incidents of 1947.

The mummy belongs to another highly probable alien incident that it might occur in pre-Columbian Times, somewhere in the south west of the USA or in Egypt, it depends of which one of the two possible sources you decide to believe it correspond to.

if It is Egypt, it would not be the very first news of Alien visitation to that country, I have already mentioned in one of my first posts in this thread that in the late 1950s Egypt organized together with Russia and archaeological project called ISIS to determine the location of a figure that in the ancient Egyptian mythology is called the Visitor, and that it seems to correspond to the so famous metaphysical great Master Hermes Trismegistus.

Now, with respect to the Americas it would be the first real finding of an Alien body coming from so ancient times, but there are a lot of myths in different cultures of the Continent among the aborigines of this hemisphere that suggest this possibility, the so called Civilizator Gods of the Americas: Quetzalcoatl, Kukulcan, Bochica, Huiracocha.

Please check the following links about this so interesting theories:

in5d.com...

www.aliens-extraterrestrials.com...

pushingthepulldoor.blogspot.com...

www.youtube.com...

www.disclose.tv...

Legends like this one of a God that came from the stars to bring knowledge to the humans are common not only in the Americas, also India has its own ones:

www.brahmakumari.net...

Erich Von Daniken, the so famous Swiss anthropologist has devoted 40 years to the study of this theory:

kgpianonnet.blogspot.com...

Thanks for your reply,

The Angel of Lightness

There are multiple Roswell Slides threads, but I'll give this one some love.

The story has been conclusively solved several times, and here's some final photographic evidence that should satisfy everyone (except Jaime Maussan). Also, some lingering objections about "handwriting " on the placard are put to rest.

The Smoking Gun: RIP to the Roswell Slides

yeah dawgs - yet another thread on this farce . ho - hum

the issue i have with this thread and AoL`s argument there-in is :

that rather than the claims made by various people in 2011 ~ 2015 , the people who actually examined , catalouged and saw this specimin would have been able to tell if any of the current claims were true at first glance . [ 3 fingers etc etc etc ]

and - this is my argument - if it was " non human " - it would have been obvious

now - there is a meme that the smithsonian [ and others ] have for the last 200 years conspired and colluded to cover up and hide the existance of any specemin that does not " fit " the mainstream paradigm of archeology and history

now you cannot have it both ways - and now claim that this alledged 3 fingered specemin went through the entire process of discovery , analysis , and display without any one ever noticing its non human features

UNTILL a bunch of alledged experts of dubious credentials squinted at a kodak slide and " solved " the case

see how rediculous the ` argument ` is ????

there are litteraly hundreds of mummies from every era availiable - its not lkie there is any shortage

a reply to: CardDown

Hi Dear CardDown,

Interesting, with your post and this mummy of Arizona now there are four that supposedly are the one of the slides of Mrs Blair.

Let me enumerate the other three:

1) The million dollar Museum of White city in New Mexico.
2) The archaeological museum of the National park at Mesa Verde, Colorado
3) The Egyptian collection of the Smithsonian Museum of Washington, DC.

I am wondering if the mummy has also paranormal properties? because as far as I can see it has the ability to stay at 4 different places at the same time. quite intriguing, is like for an episode of the Twight light zone.

Now, with all the respect I can feel for your reply, I went to the link you brought and honesty the image of the supposed slide taken in Arizona is so dark that it is practically impossible to determine what is what it is depicted on it, the mummy itself is not visible in all that darkness of the image.

Do you have a better image of that Slide?

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness