Disclosure of the Moon Landing Hoax: Part 2

originally posted by: onebigmonkey

originally posted by: TheWhisper
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"If actually you read my posts carefully you will see that I have said quite clearly that classifying the petrified wood as a moon rock was a simple mistake. "

On what is your conclusion based? The BBC website reports.

"US officials said they had no explanation for the Dutch discovery."
news.bbc.co.uk...

Every article newspaper report and book I have seen leads me to that conclusion. It's the only honest one to make.

Can you show some of that source material you claim you have used to come to your conclusion. What you say sounds good but in the end it are only empty words when you are not able to show some sources.

a reply to: TheWhisper

The sources have been linked to in the previous thread many times, and can be found on the web with a few simple search terms.

Do your own work.

originally posted by: TheWhisper

originally posted by: choos

originally posted by: TheWhisper

"US officials said they had no explanation for the Dutch discovery."

they have no explaination because it has nothing to do with them.. it was a personal gift from Middendorf to Drees..

and why does the placard not even have the recipients name??

"why does the placard not even have the recipients name??"
Mr Drees is one of the most important post WWII PM of the Netherlands. Are you questioning the integrity of Mr Drees with that question?

read what im writing properly..
the placard was given to Drees, by Middendorf!! its a gift FROM Middendorf TO Drees..
so, im wondering what mr middendorf's intentions were.. it was his gift to drees.. drees was old, bad of hearing and seeing..

drees is a former PM he has been out of office for 11 years, why would NASA give him a lunar sample and not give one to the current PM or the Queen (the actual head of state)??

originally posted by: onebigmonkey
a reply to: TheWhisper

The sources have been linked to in the previous thread many times, and can be found on the web with a few simple search terms.

Do your own work.

The Queen of the Netherlands was not at all a Nixon fan to say it mildly. Here is something that is well known in the Netherlands. The year is 1972 the Queen was stopped to say this to Nixon.

"Queen Juliana wanted to call US president Nixon a murderer when he visited the royal palace of Soestdijk."

The link is in Dutch use goole translate.
www.weerwoord.nl...

originally posted by: choos

originally posted by: TheWhisper

originally posted by: choos

originally posted by: TheWhisper

"US officials said they had no explanation for the Dutch discovery."

they have no explaination because it has nothing to do with them.. it was a personal gift from Middendorf to Drees..

and why does the placard not even have the recipients name??

"why does the placard not even have the recipients name??"
Mr Drees is one of the most important post WWII PM of the Netherlands. Are you questioning the integrity of Mr Drees with that question?

read what im writing properly..
the placard was given to Drees, by Middendorf!! its a gift FROM Middendorf TO Drees..
so, im wondering what mr middendorf's intentions were.. it was his gift to drees.. drees was old, bad of hearing and seeing..

drees is a former PM he has been out of office for 11 years, why would NASA give him a lunar sample and not give one to the current PM or the Queen (the actual head of state)??

"Queen Juliana wanted to call US president Nixon a murderer when he visited the royal palace of Soestdijk."

originally posted by: TheWhisper

originally posted by: choos

originally posted by: TheWhisper

originally posted by: choos

originally posted by: TheWhisper

"US officials said they had no explanation for the Dutch discovery."

they have no explaination because it has nothing to do with them.. it was a personal gift from Middendorf to Drees..

and why does the placard not even have the recipients name??

"why does the placard not even have the recipients name??"
Mr Drees is one of the most important post WWII PM of the Netherlands. Are you questioning the integrity of Mr Drees with that question?

read what im writing properly..
the placard was given to Drees, by Middendorf!! its a gift FROM Middendorf TO Drees..
so, im wondering what mr middendorf's intentions were.. it was his gift to drees.. drees was old, bad of hearing and seeing..

drees is a former PM he has been out of office for 11 years, why would NASA give him a lunar sample and not give one to the current PM or the Queen (the actual head of state)??

"Queen Juliana wanted to call US president Nixon a murderer when he visited the royal palace of Soestdijk."

i dont see why that is important or even why its relevant.. she was the head of state.. she would be alot more important than Drees.. the lunar rocks were NOT personal gift, therefore the gift should be received by the head of state.. not some Former PM.. heck even the current PM should receive a gift to the country before a former PM..

a reply to: TheWhisper

Oops, you broke my golden rule.

I'll re-iterate it here so that it's valid for this thread too.

Any post that mentions Nixon gets ignored.

That aside, there is another suggestion for the moon rock - namely that it was part of a spoof exhibition, which explains why it was in the Rijksmuseum (primarily known for its art collection) rather than a science museum.

Here is a quote from "Moon Hoax: debunked" by Paolo Attivissimo, from my copy signed by him at a talk by TK Mattingly (Apollo 16 CMP).

A questionable issue is that such a rare and important item surfaced during an "art exhibition" held in 2006 by Rotterdam artists Liesbeth Bik and Jos van der Pol and not during a science oriented event. The exhibition was rather tongue in cheek, since it asked what they thought of the museum's plans to open an exhibition center on the moon.

Attivissimo suggests that they used the rock mischievously, using something found in drawer as a stand in for moon rock, although the artists themselves claim it was labelled in the drawer as a moon rock.

The artist's own website links to an article that discusses the exhbition:

www.bikvanderpol.net...

Bik Van der Pol took as core item of the project one of the oldest objects in the collection of the Rijksmuseum: a moon rock. The crew of the first manned lunar landing mission, Apollo 11, brought this rock back to earth in 1969. That same year the three astronauts Neil Armstrong, Edwin Aldrin and Michael Collins visited the Netherlands. Willem Drees, a former Dutch prime minister, received the rock on that occasion as a present from the United States ambassador. And later, this piece of stone was donated to the Rijksmuseum.

and it seems from that article that they believed it to be a lunar sample. As artists and not geologists, they would not know any better.

So, a US ambassador makes a gift to an old man, who mistakes what it is. It gets donated to a museum where it sits in a drawer (not even in display) until two artists decide to make use of it in a thought provoking art exhibit.

It then escalates from there and a lot of hoax believers make something out of nothing.

originally posted by: choos

originally posted by: TheWhisper

originally posted by: choos

originally posted by: TheWhisper

originally posted by: choos

originally posted by: TheWhisper

"US officials said they had no explanation for the Dutch discovery."

they have no explaination because it has nothing to do with them.. it was a personal gift from Middendorf to Drees..

and why does the placard not even have the recipients name??

"why does the placard not even have the recipients name??"
Mr Drees is one of the most important post WWII PM of the Netherlands. Are you questioning the integrity of Mr Drees with that question?

read what im writing properly..
the placard was given to Drees, by Middendorf!! its a gift FROM Middendorf TO Drees..
so, im wondering what mr middendorf's intentions were.. it was his gift to drees.. drees was old, bad of hearing and seeing..

drees is a former PM he has been out of office for 11 years, why would NASA give him a lunar sample and not give one to the current PM or the Queen (the actual head of state)??

"Queen Juliana wanted to call US president Nixon a murderer when he visited the royal palace of Soestdijk."

i dont see why that is important or even why its relevant.. she was the head of state.. she would be alot more important than Drees.. the lunar rocks were NOT personal gift, therefore the gift should be received by the head of state.. not some Former PM.. heck even the current PM should receive a gift to the country before a former PM..

Well maybe she didn't want to accept the rock as she didn't want anything to do with the Nixon administration. When you read the article in dutch it will become clear that she didn't even want Nixon to come to the Netherlands.

a reply to: onebigmonkey
What you say is easy to debunk.
"US officials said they had no explanation for the Dutch discovery."
news.bbc.co.uk...

originally posted by: TheWhisper
Well maybe she didn't want to accept the rock as she didn't want anything to do with the Nixon administration. When you read the article in dutch it will become clear that she didn't even want Nixon to come to the Netherlands.

the problem with that is that she received the real lunar moon rock gift in early 1970.. after that she gave it to Boerhaave museum..

Some more on the exhibition.

Here is a link to (some of) the publication for it:

www.sternberg-press.com...

You can see from it that the artists (in my view) believe, or are at least presenting to the public that they believe, that the rock is genuine. In fact reading the text that is available, most of the assertions that this is a lunar rock seem to be from these artists, as it is the only documented source other than reports of what people have said.

Here's a picture of the rock as part of the exhibit:

www.bikvanderpol.net...

You can even buy the book of the exhibition still, search for Fly Me to the Moon Bik van der Pol Lukas & Sternberg and it will turn up on Abebooks and eBay.

And still more.

This article is from the artists' own archives and collects some of the various blog and forum posts concerning the 'moon rock':

www.bikvanderpol.net...

I recognise quite a few of the names of the posters.

There is an interesting quote on the title page of the document:

Replacing a moon rock with a piece of petrified wood and how This changed Our perception of the world

Are we dupes of a deliberate stunt, or are they commenting on how an accidental inclusion of a piece of petrified wood created art of its own?

Only they know the answer that, but there is also this piece from their website

www.bikvanderpol.net...

Which shows what appear to be museum records (including a catalog number) for the piece. There is nothing on there that shows the sample is claimed to be of lunar origin by NASA or the US Ambassador.

a reply to: onebigmonkey

OBM doesn't believe in apollo conspiracies. But the Dutch Moon Rock tale he tells sounds a lot like a conspiracy. How anyone can be so sure of its origin is baffling. The story around it has probably changed more than the argument for passing thru the VABs!

originally posted by: bobbypurify
a reply to: onebigmonkey

OBM doesn't believe in apollo conspiracies. But the Dutch Moon Rock tale he tells sounds a lot like a conspiracy. How anyone can be so sure of its origin is baffling. The story around it has probably changed more than the argument for passing thru the VABs!

Breaking news will soon be released about the Dutch moon rock and the Apollo 11 astronauts during the goodwill tour in the Netherlands. The story is not adding up anymore NASA has something to explain. TW has the images that will show that the three Apollo 11 astronauts handed a moon rock not the ambassador.

An excellent analysis:



Warning: contains image of Nixon.

Part two is here, in case you can't see it:

originally posted by: TheWhisper

originally posted by: bobbypurify
a reply to: onebigmonkey

OBM doesn't believe in apollo conspiracies. But the Dutch Moon Rock tale he tells sounds a lot like a conspiracy. How anyone can be so sure of its origin is baffling. The story around it has probably changed more than the argument for passing thru the VABs!

Breaking news will soon be released about the Dutch moon rock and the Apollo 11 astronauts during the goodwill tour in the Netherlands. The story is not adding up anymore NASA has something to explain. TW has the images that will show that the three Apollo 11 astronauts handed a moon rock not the ambassador.

And we look forward to you posting that here, rather than trying to generate hits elsewhere.

I'll go out on a limb: you don't have any such thing.

originally posted by: onebigmonkey
An excellent analysis:

Warning: contains image of Nixon.

Second fake moon rock discovered by AwE130.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: TheWhisper

[snip]

HAHAHAHA - wrong.

She is holding a replica of the goodwill message disk, the original of which is on the moon.

Picture in the video I linked to.