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Objective law: Anarcho-Capitalism vs. Minarchism

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posted on Jun, 14 2015 @ 02:59 AM
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a reply to: greencmp

Are you even aware of the fact Hayek supported the fascist Pinochet?

I don't think you'll admit it. Off course not.
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posted on Jun, 14 2015 @ 07:27 AM
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originally posted by: JeanPaul
a reply to: greencmp

Are you even aware of the fact Hayek supported the fascist Pinochet?

I don't think you'll admit it. Off course not.


So you have advised me. It's only because you say so that I doubt it and that really doesn't explain anything anyway.

Now you defend Hitler, Stalin and Mao. I'll just wait right here for you to be done.

Some relevant quotes to the content of the conversation would be great.



posted on Jun, 14 2015 @ 01:18 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: JeanPaul
a reply to: greencmp

Are you even aware of the fact Hayek supported the fascist Pinochet?

I don't think you'll admit it. Off course not.



So you have advised me. It's only because you say so that I doubt it and that really doesn't explain anything anyway.

Now you defend Hitler, Stalin and Mao. I'll just wait right here for you to be done.

Some relevant quotes to the content of the conversation would be great.


You called me a fascist and seriously think I'm going to hand you some flowers?

When I said Hayek supported fascism there was a factual basis for the statement. It's not libel. It's fact.

You on the other hand have absolutely no reason to call me a fascist.

If you think Hitler was actually a socialist then just stop quoting my posts please.

I don't support Mao or Stalin. If I were alive in either of their nations they would have had me killed or "purged". The only Marxists I would have agreed with in the early 20th century would have been the Mensheviks not the Bolsheviks (Leninists,Stalinists, Maoists).

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Perhaps some of Karl Kautsky's work. He was the next in line after Marx/Engles and tried to warn the world about the Bolsheviks. How they were authoritarian and would bring a reign of terror.

Anyhow, how often do you call people fascists without any evidence to back up your claim?
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posted on Jun, 14 2015 @ 01:34 PM
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a reply to: JeanPaul

You called Hayek a fascist.



posted on Jun, 15 2015 @ 11:03 AM
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originally posted by: greencmp
You called Hayek a fascist.

The guy did show approval of the Pinochet Regime.



posted on Jun, 15 2015 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: greencmp
You called Hayek a fascist.

The guy did show approval of the Pinochet Regime.


And then I gave the definition of the term fascist.

The point being that the definition of fascism fits reasonably well with what he has described as his own desired system.



posted on Jun, 15 2015 @ 12:08 PM
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a reply to: greencmp

So?

How does that change Hayek's approval of Pinochet?



posted on Jun, 15 2015 @ 12:14 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: greencmp

So?

How does that change Hayek's approval of Pinochet?


Dunno, why?



posted on Jun, 15 2015 @ 12:44 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp
Dunno, why?

You seem to have taken it upon yourself to champion Hayek's honor when he did in fact approve of Pinochet, who was a fascist.


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posted on Jun, 15 2015 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: greencmp
Dunno, why?

You seem to have taken it upon yourself to champion Hayek's honor when he did in fact approve of Pinochet, who was a fascist.



It is news to me but, not impossible. Stalin approved of Hitler and signed a pact with him.

Hayek was an economist. This thread is about anarcho-capitalism vs minarchism.

Apparently an attempt has been made to change the subject to "menshevism" and the fascists that Hayek supposedly supported.



posted on Jun, 15 2015 @ 01:03 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp
It is news to me but, not impossible. Stalin approved of Hitler and signed a pact with him.

Did Stalin or Hitler ever denounce the use of force?


Hayek was an economist. This thread is about anarcho-capitalism vs minarchism.

Exactly what Hayek's support of Pinochet is an example of. Impossible ideal vs settling for the lesser of two evils, supposedly.



posted on Jun, 15 2015 @ 01:24 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: greencmp
It is news to me but, not impossible. Stalin approved of Hitler and signed a pact with him.

Did Stalin or Hitler ever denounce the use of force?


Hayek was an economist. This thread is about anarcho-capitalism vs minarchism.

Exactly what Hayek's support of Pinochet is an example of. Impossible ideal vs settling for the lesser of two evils, supposedly.


Are you saying that Hayek made a value judgement in some case which subverted his otherwise idealistic rhetoric or that his body of work has any sympathy for fascism? Much like the Mussolini quote, fascists aren't against socialism, just anti-nationalism.



posted on Jun, 15 2015 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp
Are you saying that Hayek made a value judgement in some case which subverted his otherwise idealistic rhetoric or that his body of work has any sympathy for fascism?

The former.


Much like the Mussolini quote, fascists aren't against socialism, just anti-nationalism.

So, anarcho-capitalists are not against all authoritarian dictatorships, just the socialist kind?

ETA: Taking a second look, it seems that both Mussolini and Hayek are saying are saying something similar but one is a fascist and the other isn't?


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posted on Jun, 15 2015 @ 04:50 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: greencmp
Are you saying that Hayek made a value judgement in some case which subverted his otherwise idealistic rhetoric or that his body of work has any sympathy for fascism?

The former.


Much like the Mussolini quote, fascists aren't against socialism, just anti-nationalism.

So, anarcho-capitalists are not against all authoritarian dictatorships, just the socialist kind?

ETA: Taking a second look, it seems that both Mussolini and Hayek are saying are saying something similar but one is a fascist and the other isn't?



I was correcting him on the definition of the term fascism.



posted on Jun, 15 2015 @ 04:50 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: greencmp
Are you saying that Hayek made a value judgement in some case which subverted his otherwise idealistic rhetoric or that his body of work has any sympathy for fascism?

The former.


Much like the Mussolini quote, fascists aren't against socialism, just anti-nationalism.

So, anarcho-capitalists are not against all authoritarian dictatorships, just the socialist kind?

ETA: Taking a second look, it seems that both Mussolini and Hayek are saying are saying something similar but one is a fascist and the other isn't?



I was correcting him on the definition of the term fascism.



posted on Jun, 15 2015 @ 05:06 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp
I was correcting him on the definition of the term fascism.

And he was pointing out that Hayek approved of a straight up fascist being in power.



posted on Jun, 15 2015 @ 06:21 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: greencmp
I was correcting him on the definition of the term fascism.

And he was pointing out that Hayek approved of a straight up fascist being in power.


So, do you know what fascism is and do you think Hayek believes in it?



posted on Jun, 15 2015 @ 06:44 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp
So, do you know what fascism is and do you think Hayek believes in it?

You should be asking, was Pinochet fascist and did Hayek believe in him?

The answers to those two things are yes.

My understanding of fascism and what I think Hayek may have believed in have nothing to do with that situation.



posted on Jun, 15 2015 @ 06:50 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: greencmp
So, do you know what fascism is and do you think Hayek believes in it?

You should be asking, was Pinochet fascist and did Hayek believe in him?

The answers to those two things are yes.

My understanding of fascism and what I think Hayek may have believed in have nothing to do with that situation.



Thanks for not answering my question and changing the subject again. Lame.



posted on Jun, 15 2015 @ 07:08 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp
Thanks for not answering my question and changing the subject again. Lame.

Sorry but I try to avoid loaded questions.

Besides your questions don't address the thread subject.

Hayek's actions speak louder than his words, even if that is something that you have a hard time accepting.


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