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originally posted by: greencmp
That is simply an example of an uninterested populace with no private waste services available.
Rational deduction is neither unfounded nor disconnected although, we can and should argue exactly what logical inferences are possible in this context. There is also, as you point out, ample evidence of the failure of maxarchies and almost no evidence of the failure of anarchies, that is the flip side of the "but it doesn't exist" argument. That is all learnable purely through empiricism, incomplete a tool as it is.
As a constitutional minarchist with a personal affinity for the ideals of individual freedom, I simply make the argument that abdicating responsibility for the well being of oneself to a nameless faceless bureaucracy is always a losing proposition.
Out of necessity. There has never been a "free market" capitalist system. You show me a capitalist nation and I'll show you how government intervention was employed in order to make it all possible
"Corporatism" you'll call it. As if "the state" and capital were ever seperate entities! Corporations were formed in order to pool risk. Capital also accumulated via competition. There is no "perfect competition" where small businesses rule the day. Capitalisms very nature is to accumulate wealth. It formed via coercive wealth accumulation! There has never been a "free market".
"Free market" capitalism is a non thing. It has never and will never exist. It's impossible.
Actually that bolsters the "it doesn't exist" argument. There is almost no evidence of the failure of anarchies because they don't/can't exist.
It sure does but lack of intervention also doesn't have a good track record in bringing that possibility into effect.
You said that a free market has never existed, and now are claiming the lack of intervention has a poor track record.
You wouldn't know that unless you actually lived there.
I've seen enough groups in history romantized to take things at face value, specially when it comes from a source with a bias.
originally posted by: LewsTherinThelamon
a reply to: JeanPaul
Out of necessity. There has never been a "free market" capitalist system. You show me a capitalist nation and I'll show you how government intervention was employed in order to make it all possible
This is my issue with your argument--you continually blame markets for human suffering instead of looking at the common denominator in all civilizations that have fallen--government.
All of your complaints against capitalism are actually the issues caused by government regulation, taxation, intervention, and cronyism.
It would be akin to a psychopath beating you with a golf club, and you deduce from the interaction that golf is an evil sport. But you never call into question the nature of the psychopath, nor his ability to use any instrument to bludgeon you to death.
Government is, by it's nature, a psychopath. It doesn't matter if government is beating you over the head with capitalism or socialism. When government controls the economy, everyone loses.
originally posted by: LewsTherinThelamon
a reply to: daskakik
Of course they have but were they real anarchies and more to the point, were their markets free?
The example I posted of Ireland--they were a true anarchy and their market was free. Read about them, it's absolutely interesting.
originally posted by: LewsTherinThelamon
a reply to: JeanPaul
I'm going to read the books you posted, but I feel like you're
originally posted by: daskakik
originally posted by: greencmp
That is simply an example of an uninterested populace with no private waste services available.
As I said before there is a private waste service. Even if there wasn't, AC theory says that people would act in their best interest. No matter how you try to dismiss it, the fact is that AC theory simply fails.
Rational deduction is neither unfounded nor disconnected although, we can and should argue exactly what logical inferences are possible in this context. There is also, as you point out, ample evidence of the failure of maxarchies and almost no evidence of the failure of anarchies, that is the flip side of the "but it doesn't exist" argument. That is all learnable purely through empiricism, incomplete a tool as it is.
Actually that bolsters the "it doesn't exist" argument. There is almost no evidence of the failure of anarchies because they don't/can't exist.
As a constitutional minarchist with a personal affinity for the ideals of individual freedom, I simply make the argument that abdicating responsibility for the well being of oneself to a nameless faceless bureaucracy is always a losing proposition.
I'd say the countless people who have used social safety nets while getting back on their feet would say otherwise. The difference is that they have real world anecdotes instead of AC pie in the sky.
originally posted by: JeanPaul
originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: JeanPaul
Fascism is national syndicalism which is socialism.
We declare war against socialism, not because it is socialism, but because it has opposed nationalism. Although we can discuss the question of what socialism is, what is its program, and what are its tactics, one thing is obvious: the official Italian Socialist Party has been reactionary and absolutely conservative. If its views had prevailed, our survival in the world of today would be impossible.
-Benito Mussolini
Maybe you meant neo-fascist?
Main article: Fascist as an insult
Following the defeat of the Axis Powers in World War II, the term fascist has been used as a pejorative word, often referring to widely varying movements across the political spectrum. George Orwell wrote in 1944 that "the word 'Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless ... almost any English person would accept 'bully' as a synonym for 'Fascist'". Richard Griffiths said in 2005 that "fascism" is the "most misused, and over-used word, of our times". "Fascist" is sometimes applied to post-war organizations and ways of thinking that academics more commonly term "neo-fascist".
How could you identify Hayek with either definition?
Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky to secure national self-sufficiency and independence through protectionist and interventionist economic policies. Following World War II, few parties have openly described themselves as fascist, and the term is usually used pejoratively by political opponents. The terms neo-fascist or post-fascist are sometimes applied more formally to describe parties of the far right with ideological similarities to, or roots in, 20th century fascist movements.
Indeed, by the definition above, it would seem to be a plausible approximation of your own philosophy would it not?
And, you insulting me here, calling me a fascist has absolutely no connection to reality. Just like your "voluntarism" or "anarcho" capitalism ideology. When I say the things I say about Hayek it has actual facts behind it. Facts you will no doubt attempt to deny until your face turns blue.
Fact is, Hayek had his fingerprints all over the fascist dictatorship in Chile. I on the other hand, have never advocated fascism for any reason. Ever.
originally posted by: greencmp
I am not sure why the town doesn't even try to pick up the garbage, that is usually in the top two things that taxpayers generally demand. If the town returned all of the property taxes, do you think people would pay for rubbish removal?
If there are no examples of AC to measure, how could you know?