WATCH: Ted Cruz tells Iowa group that gays are waging ‘jihad’ against Christians

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: tothetenthpower

It's hyperbole, but not entirely untrue. He is simply pandering to his base.

Well said.
At least Obama and Hillary never pander to THEIR base.

a reply to: Seamrog

Here we go. So the gays are still ramming something down your throat, eh Seamrog?



"They will be made to care!" "They will be made to take a stand."

Is there a Christian Theocratic State that will do this enforcement in your ideal future?

originally posted by: tothetenthpower


And in all reality, none of what the LGBT community has done, has affected Christians in any way, but offend their misplaced sense of moral authority. Me marrying a man does not undermine your marriage, unless you somehow allow it to.

~Tenth

Here is your bias.

You simply not see - despite the widespread news coverage of it - where Christians are being targeted and persecuted by homosexualists.

I understand that you want what you consider your 'marriage' to be accepted and recognized.

Your issue is with God - He is the one who set the rules for our lives.

Leave Christians alone and let them follow God's law.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: tothetenthpower

It's hyperbole, but not entirely untrue. He is simply pandering to his base.

Well said.
At least Obama and Hillary never pander to THEIR base.

Tu quoque.

a reply to: Seamrog

You simply not see - despite the widespread news coverage of it - where Christians are being targeted and persecuted by homosexualists.

Please show me this information. Let's see the widespread coverage of Christians being targeted and persecuted please.

I understand that you want what you consider your 'marriage' to be accepted and recognized.

I live in Canada, where we decided some 15 years ago that this was a huge non issue and we should move on with our lives.

Oh and guess what, the religious here in Canada don't complain about being persecuted by the LGBT community, cause they aren't.

Neither do we see this 'coverage' in other countries that have long since put this issue behind them.

Your issue is with God - He is the one who set the rules for our lives.

No it's not. I don't believe God is a single parent who writes books. The difference is, I'm not making decisions about other people's lives based on my religious or non religious out look.

Leave Christians alone and let them follow God's law.

They can do as they please, in private member clubs, churches etc. In the public sphere they must shelve their religion, as is the law in North America.

Society doesn't care what God you pray to, nor should it.

~Tenth

originally posted by: Rocker2013

Ah, but don't forget, Republicans and Christians think they live by separate rules, that the Constitution and the right to freedom of opinion is exclusively for them!

It baffles me how Americans don't see the utter hypocrisy in these groups of people. They rant about the rights of LGBT people, scream about their rights and freedoms needing protecting, while attacking the rights and freedoms of other groups of people. To make it even more bizarre, they claim it's freedom of religion and freedom of speech to attack LGBT people, then claim it's all a "liberal conspiracy" or "gay mafia", when people use their rights to fight back.

And this gross misunderstanding of our rights and Constitution is exactly why the fight goes on.

The Constitution enumerates the powers granted to the government... In other words, it tells the government what they can and cannot do. NOT THE PEOPLE. The Bill of Rights tells the government what we can do and they cannot stop us from doing. Freedom of religion to practice one's faith as one sees fit is one of our enumerated rights -- including the right not to perform a service that violates their faith.

Freedom of speech also allows for Gays to verbally attack Christians and for Christians to attack gays. That is an enumerated right.

Denying anyone service for any reason is not an attack. Forcing someone to provide involuntary labor under color of law is barely better than slavery. No one has any right to force anyone to do anything, not under the Constitution and not under natural law and rights.... just at the point of a gun.

Under the Constitution, the government is not allowed to deny service to anyone -- due process and all. Under the Constition, the people are allowed to deny service for any reason.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: tothetenthpower

It's hyperbole, but not entirely untrue.

Exactly. He's obviously blowing it way out of proportion but the left absolutely IS playing a very dirty game against the right by magnifying the various types of conflict that DO exist but would not be as bitter as they are if the left wasn't stirring up all kinds of trouble to put them in the spotlight.

The libs are starting to get nervous about 2016 and they're desperate so they are many times more vitriolic than they usually are.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

Jihad: noun; a war or struggle against unbelievers (one of many definitions for jihad, as found when googling "definition + jihad."

Is this not a struggle against unbelievers in gay marriage? Is this not a war against religious freedom and therefore our Constitution which guarantees our religious freedom? Rationalize it any way you choose, but it is what it is.

I won't be voting for Ted, but even a clock is right twice a day.

Gays - The FUTURE of the human race.

Well, I suppose that is one way of population control


I found the recent petty squabbles by Elton John and Dolice and Gabbina, "oh im not buying from D&G ever again!" Elton John screams!

Well, if that is all they have to worry about (and cakes), then, Peace in the world should be soon after!

When do the FASHION WARS start?

Frankly, they're making fools of themselves, pure entertainment.

originally posted by: stayinglowkey
Seems like pretty much everybody hates the christians these days....if you hate somebody you are bound to wage a war of some sort against them.

Only the bigoted Christians. There are plenty of Christians who have no problem with gays or gay marriage. There are gay Christians too.

www.gaychristian.net...

originally posted by: Boadicea

Under the Constitution, the government is not allowed to deny service to anyone -- due process and all. Under the Constition, the people are allowed to deny service for any reason.

Could you cite that section of the Constitution please?

Thank you!

originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: tothetenthpower

It's hyperbole, but not entirely untrue.

Exactly. He's obviously blowing it way out of proportion but the left absolutely IS playing a very dirty game against the right by magnifying the various types of conflict that DO exist but would not be as bitter as they are if the left wasn't stirring up all kinds of trouble to put them in the spotlight.

The libs are starting to get nervous about 2016 and they're desperate so they are many times more vitriolic than they usually are.

Do you honestly believe that it is only the American left that is "magnifying the various type of conflict that DO exist but would not be as bitter as they are if the left wasn't stirring up all kinds of trouble to put them in the spotlight?"

No person or entity on the American right does this?

Do i understand your claim correctly?

a reply to: tothetenthpower

Politically?

Smart move on the part of Cruz.

% f the population that is GLBT

vs

% of the population that is Christian

Nothing unites better than an identified opponent. More us vs them, more division. . . . but in all honesty, there is not going to be a "Great Uniter" in our lifetime. Perhaps longer.

a reply to: Boadicea

Is this not a struggle against unbelievers in gay marriage? Is this not a war against religious freedom and therefore our Constitution which guarantees our religious freedom? Rationalize it any way you choose, but it is what it is.

It's not, because Christianity isn't some catch all term for bigotry and misplaced senses of moral authority.

There is no 'jihad' against the teachings of the church, your right to believe what you want or do as you please in a private setting.

The issue is the public sphere. Christians want the right to discriminate and deny services, based on some notion of moral high ground or authority.

That's illegal. Always has been, always will be.

Your constitutional right to have 'freedom of religion' does not include the public sphere.

~Tenth

a reply to: Boadicea

The Constitution guarantees that the government will not establish a religion nor restrict the free exercise thereof.

That doesn't mean and never has that the religious get to decide which laws they will be subject to.

Religious faith doesn't elevate anyone into an extra-citizen status wither they can bid and dispose which laws they will follow.

Religious faith does not bestow special rights.

That's just ludicrous.

According to the bible coveting your neighbors Oxen
is a much greater sin than homosexuality.
So yeah sleep with someone of the same sex but what ever
you do don't look across the street at your neighbors Ox.
That'll land you some Hell time.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Boadicea

Under the Constitution, the government is not allowed to deny service to anyone -- due process and all. Under the Constition, the people are allowed to deny service for any reason.

Could you cite that section of the Constitution please?

Thank you!

Due process by government: 14th Amendment.

Denial of Service by the people: 9th Amendment

What strikes me more than the content of his pronouncement, is the political strategizing behind it. Cruz and his desperado floundering ilk will be focusing on pro-choice as well, as soon as they wring this issue dry, working everybody into a frenzy if they can, consequently trying to blind voters to the REAL issues the country has to face.

Using the tired 'morality issues' might have worked in the previous decade, but during this ride around the carousel his dubious assertions might be a faux pas that backfires in his face.

It's simply too easy of a deflection and too obvious that they focus on it because they have nothing else to offer, other than greed and war, and many folks have had enough of that. The party is clueless what to do with the nations problems, so turn to hatred and bigotry. Cruz seems to understand that......

a reply to: beezzer

I'm not so sure about that. I think there are more moderate Christians then there are conservative Christians. The moderates don't really have any problem with gays or gay marriage. It's just that the smaller numbers of conservative Christians are REALLY loud, so it seems there are more of them. There are probably just as many hard-core conservative Christians as there are LGBT people. Plus, there are plenty non-LGBT people supporting the LGBT community - both moderate Christians and non-Christians.

a reply to: beezzer

Oh it's def clever politics.

That sort of fear based rhetoric works like a charm.

~Tenth