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originally posted by: FlyersFan
Is Reincarnation Opt to the Person, Dalai Lama suggests it,or can be controled by Politics?
The Dalai Lama can come back or not as he wishes. Unlike most of the rest of us, he is off the reincarnation wheel. Anyone who has reached enlightenment can chose to come back and help others, or stay non-incarnated. So yes, the Dalai Lama can decide not to come back if he thinks that it would not be helpful to be here under the heavy hand of the Chinese government.
The fact that China is trying to claim power over other worldly matters is ridiculous and desperate.
The Dalai Lama (as a case in point) is the reincarnation of a long line of previous Dalai Lamas for this reason. Same identity, different body, same acting role.
originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: akushla99
The Dalai Lama (as a case in point) is the reincarnation of a long line of previous Dalai Lamas for this reason. Same identity, different body, same acting role.
You really believe that? You don't think he was just a child chosen by a brutal dictatorship, that was known to kill some lamas in the past to benefit their own means.
Better still , if this was really the same being being born time after time, then why were these lamas and priests so brutal with their own people?
Its all a load of BS
originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: akushla99
Sorry , does not make sense at all.
Tibet was brutal under lama rule. One of the worst places in the world at the time.just like the Delia lama, the priests owned slaves too, and lived in huge palaces. Most of the population were starving slaves born to work for these animals.
If these Delia lamas were really the same spiritual being, do you really think there would be such brutality when it comes to its own people?
Does that tell you itself, that the lamas were just innocent children taken from their families?
No I don't expect many "free Tibet" groupies to debate me because the truth is, they know pretty much nothing about the real Tibet and its history. Just in love with the myth of Tibet, which I find insulting to the Tibetan people who suffered under this evil rule
I'll ask you to cite sources for your info that predate 1950. Å99
originally posted by: akushla99
a reply to: Jay-morris
I don't see any references from before 1950...
Å99
As late as 1949 the Tibetan government still used mutilation as a form of punishment. In one case involving the killing of an American, six Tibetan border guards were tried and sentenced in Lhasa. "The leader was to have his nose and both ears cut off. The man who fired the first shot was to lose both ears. A third man was to lose one ear, and the others were to get 50 lashes each."[69] Whipping was legal and common as punishment[70] in Tibet including in the 20th century, also for minor infractions and outside judicial process. Whipping could also have fatal consequences, as in the case of the trader Gyebo Sherpa subjected to the severe corca whipping for selling cigarettes. He died from his wounds 2 days later in the Potala prison.[71] Tashi Tsering, a self-described critic of traditional Tibetan society, records being whipped as a 13 year old for missing a performance as a dancer in the Dalai Lama's dance troop in 1942, until the skin split and the pain became excruciating.[
...and for bonus points, complete this sentence... History is written by the...
The most ironic of all this is that the person that is agitating here hatred against the Dalai Lama is using an Avatar of Adolf Hitler to do so.
It is clear that the only Reincarnation this person cares is the one of those monsters of the past: Stalin, Hitler, Franco, Mao , Napoleon that carried the worst genocides of History, in the name of a " Superior Political order".
originally posted by: The angel of light
a reply to: Jay-morris
That is all what you have to comment about the many reasons i have given to you in my previous so extensive reply about to be absolutely wrong in your approach to this topic?
It comes to my attention that the only thing you comment is another attempt from your side to deviate the discussion to other subjects, in this case the justification of your avatar.
Let me clarify that I met Bruce lee when I was a child, I saw him giving impressive demonstrations of his fine martial Arts, I listen him also expressing his feelings and thoughts concerning essential values like self defense but also Honor and personal integrity, and liberty. I am so sorry dear Jay , but you are NOT HIM, YOU ARE NOT Bruce Lee!
Thanks,
The Angel of Lightness
Dear akushala99, I think indeed these efforts by this person ( Jay Morris) to deviate the discussion of the reincarnation issue that attains to His holiness Dalai Lama to a series of bizarre stories that are clearly based on bold exaggerations and generalizations by Historians that are part of the Propaganda Machine of the Chinese Marxist regime
The idea that a country that is powerful in military resources believes that it has the right to "correct" the violations of human rights on other nations is the base of all the Imperialisms in History. Romans used to call Barbarians to all the peoples that were out of their borders, they were obsessed with the idea that they were chosen by the gods to spread civilization, their own one of course.
Did the British empire made any needed social reform on their occupation of India? Of course Not, since that was not their goal. Why don't you ask the native Americans how well they feel after being "civilized" by Andrew Jackson? Why don't you ask the African Americans what they thing of the "civilized" way was used to brought them to this continent? Why don't you ask the Irish people how grateful are them of the way British "civilized " their country?
Traditional Tibetan society consists of feudal class structure, serfdom and slavery, which was one of the reason the Chinese Communist Party claims that they had to "liberate" Tibet and reform its government.[44] Professor of Buddhist and Tibetan studies Donald S.Lopez stated that at the time: “
Traditional Tibet, like any complex society, had great inequalities, with power monopolized by an elite composed of a small aristocracy, the hierarchs of various sects . . and the great Geluk monasteries.[45] ” These institutional groups retained great power down to 1959.[46] The thirteenth Dalai Lama had reformed the pre-existing serf system in the first decade of the 20th century, and by 1950, slavery itself had probably ceased to exist in central Tibet, though perhaps persisting in certain border areas.[47] Slavery did exist, for example, in places like the Chumbi Valley, though British observers like Charles Bell called it 'mild'.[48] and beggars (ragyabas) were endemic. The pre-Chinese social system however was rather complex. Estates (shiga), roughly similar to the English manorial system, granted by the state and were hereditary, though revocable. As agricultural properties they consisted of two kinds: land held by the nobility or monastic institutions (demesne land), and village land (tenement or villein land) held by the central government, though governed by district administrators.
Demesne land consisted on average of one half to three quarters of an estate. Villein land belonged to the estates, but tenants normally exercised hereditary usufruct rights in exchange for fulfilling their corvée obligations. Tibetans outside the nobility and the monastic system were classified as serfs, but two types existed and functionally were comparable to tenant farmers. Agricultural serfs, or "small smoke" (düchung) were bound to work on estates as a corvée obligation (ula) but they had title to their own plots, owned private goods, were free to move about outside the periods required for their tribute labour, and free of tax obligations. They could accrue wealth and on occasion became lenders to the estates themselves, and could sue the estate owners: village serfs (tralpa)were bound to their villages but only for tax and corvée purposes, such as road transport duties (ula), and were only obliged to pay taxes. Half of the village serfs were man-lease serfs (mi-bog), meaning that they had purchased their freedom. Estate owners exercised broad rights over attached serfs, and flight or a monastic life was the only venue of relief. Yet no mechanism existed to restore escaped serfs to their estates, and no means to enforce bondage existed, though the estate lord held the right to pursue and forcibly return them to the land. Any serf who had absented himself from his estate for three years was automatically granted either commoner (chi mi) status or reclassified as a serf of the central government. Estate lords could transfer their subjects to other lords or rich peasants for labour, though this practice was uncommon in Tibet. Though rigid structurally, the system exhibited considerable flexibility at ground level, with peasants free of constraints from the lord of the manor in order once they had fulfilled their corvée obligations. Historically, discontent or abuse of the system, according to Warren W. Smith, appears to have been rare.[49][50]
Tibet was far from a meritocracy, but the Dalai Lamas were recruited from the sons of peasant families, as the sons of nomads could rise to master the monastic system and become scholars and abbots
If horrible crimes, like assassinations, massacres, mutilations justify an invasion of one nation over other we must be really worried in this country, since Chinese could decide one of these days to also invade America, since our rates of criminality are now higher than in other times and they can of course claim later that they were just coming to "liberate" us of our own organized crime.
Violations of human rights in a country do not mean necessarily that are carried out or supported by the governments, when we are talking of free countries, but when we are referring to totalitarian regimes, like Communism, Nazism of Fascism is a very different story, since they have all the power in their hands.
We can't say that an imperialist invasion is justified on for instance Mexico , because the Narcotrafficants are cutting heads there, that is a huge lack of respect to the government and democratic institutions of that country that is courageously fighting international mafias. The same could be said of Columbia in the 1990s or even of Italy in the 1970s. No body in his sane mind would suggest that the assassination of the Primer Minister Aldo Moro of Italy in the mid 1970s justified an invasion of any external power on that country, that thesis is quite absurd.
The fight for civil rights in Tibet historically was promoted by various of the Dalai Lamas of the Past, they tried in their best of the abilities to defend civilians of the abuses that were object by other members of the society.
It is disgusting to see all this distraction sophism of internal criminality as an excuse to justify invasions coming here to make this thread an apology for Totalitarism.
The current Chinese Communist regime does not have any moral authority at all to "liberate" other nations, they have in their own statistics the worst genocides ever committed in History. More than 30 million of people were systematically eliminated by the repressive machinery of the Maoist purges. Pls read: justontop.blogspot.com...
The most ironic of all this is that the person that is agitating here hatred against the Dalai Lama is using an Avatar of Adolf Hitler to do so. It is clear that the only Reincarnation this person cares is the one of those monsters of the past: Stalin, Hitler, Franco, Mao , Napoleon that carried the worst genocides of History, in the name of a " Superior Political order".
Why don't you ask the people of Hong Kong that don't cease to protest for free elections why they are doing so if they are just being "liberated" by the Chinese Communist regime? No body asked never Hong Kongians if they wanted to be Part of a communist country, their fate was decided in a deal in between two imperialisms: The british and the Maoist.
In fact, tibetans who were liberated have stated they were happy to see the lama government go. Tibet (1912–51)
Free elections is perfectly understandable, and people have the right to protest that. The tibetan people pretty much has no rights under lama rule. So using hong kong to try and get your point across is stupid
My God! Do you actually know the history between china and tibet? This is not just about china going into tibet to get rid of a brutal and evil government. You should maybe read this, and you will know how complex this is :Tibetan sovereignty debate
what a load of rubbish! Using tibet as a reason that china will invade other countries lol Tibet and china has a long history, with both countries invading each other. Even now, historians are split as to whether tibet is part of china. Most countries have acknowledged that tibet is part of china.
When did i ever say that mao was a good bloke. Whenever there are mass murders on a great scale, i am first to show my saddnes, unlike some people. But don't just put china in that boat, you can put britain, america to name a few.
The thread is open to discussion on what is the real scope of Reincarnation and everybody is invited to take part on it , Buddhists and no Buddhists.
not only do ET's manipulate our physical bodies in this world, but they also deceive us after we've died. Robert Morningsky warns us not to go into the white light we see when we die because it is a trap to further our enslavement and put us straight back into another body. He says to stop, look around, go out into space and find your own light. The white light is used as a reprogramming centre to install amnesia and screw up our lives because we forget our past lives from this. Susan Reed reports that reptilians erase our past life memories so our subconscious believes we have more karma to pay back than we really do. This also fits in with the Wingmakers guy James who talks about Anu creating an artificial world and luring and trapping souls into it so he can be king of the world.
In The Eye of Ra, Truman Cash talks about his experiences in the white light with ET's like Mantis Beings. He says it is used for brainwashing purposes during abductions. In a few of his past lives when he died, he would automatically report back to a ufo and into the white light to be reprogrammed and sent back into another body before he could fly on and go somewhere else.