Rumor: Putin Has Been Neutralized by a "Stealthy Coup" - Opening Post Updated 9x - Putin Found

We can't trust the MSM. We can't trust social media. We can't trust anything we come across on the internet....

Are we supposed to wait for someone to come through like Paul Revere and scream the news through the streets before we even consider whether something is true or not?

This is reported as rumor and not as actual facts just yet. Nobody is trying to sell it as fact here.

How many times have we seen "rumor" quickly become fact? *cough* John Edwards *cough*

It happens.

a reply to: thepixelpusher

It very well could be, but like someone said earlier in this thread, the person under the scope would usually come out and deny what's happening fairly quickly. Not to mention he has been missing from public for the last 10 days. I'm hoping he is sick or is with his Girl and their new baby.

Does anyone else hate it when 2 very informative and respected posters (ok an owner in the mix) clash?

We all want to know what is going on.. Especially in these times. Then to boot, this IS a conspiracy web site which strives to deny ignorance while also embracing a community of individuals who may think outside the box. We do need level-headed and intelligent members to keep us in check during situations like this.

Social media isn't the gospel, we need to be reminded of this often.. but in cases such as this, it's literally ALL we have. It's not wrong to report on a weird situation. The only fact we know is that Putin hasn't been seen in 10 days, it's WORTH discussing. Personally, I don't think speculation is un-healthy, as long as it isn't taken as fact until proven as such.. ALL we can do right now is speculate. Social media only allows one thing.. communication. It does not discriminate. It does not choose, or filter out fact from fiction. All it does is allow discussion from all sides, and in this case, apparently from some accounts by people who claim to be "in the know" concerning the activities around the Kremlin..

I'm glad this topic was posted for the record. It's a breath of fresh air to me that I'm able to read the opinions of others regarding a highly speculative topic. At some point, we will get some answers, but it's always good to have a place to discuss things even though it can be super frustrating until all facts are released..

This should be round the clock headline news on the BBC , CNN, Sky News and so on. This is more than serious. No real reporter should rest until the fate of Putin has been discovered.

This is bizzare -- Anderson Cooper, where are you?

a reply to: MystikMushroom

They must've dropped the ball in North Korea then.

I don't know why Phage is getting a bad rap here. He is right to be cautious about all of this. We have seen how volatile such rumours can get. How fast, unreliable and unpredictable they are. We just have to look no more than 6 months ago to the disappearance of Kim-Jong Un for an example.

We shouldn't be jumping on every rumour unless there is something to it. Most of these rumours are coming from people who have no idea what is happening in the Kremlin. Most are in the dark, just as we are.

We don't have to jump on every rumour, and we don't have to wait for Fox News to get on to the story. No one is saying that we should wait. Just that we should be more careful in what sources we hold as reliable.

I like that ATS is all over this and picking the rumours apart. But i don't like the general disdain shown towards members who hold a higher standard of rigour regarding the veracity of information. Twitter is not always reliable.

originally posted by: James1970
This should be round the clock headline news on the BBC , CNN, Sky News and so on. This is more than serious. No real reporter should rest until the fate of Putin has been discovered.

This is bizzare -- Anderson Cooper, where are you?

Nobody goes behind the walls of the Kremlin. The reporters are castrated at this point.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Okay I will bite for the sake of trying to remain open minded. Do you think that if it was possible the CIA or the Chinese would stage a coup in Russia with the goal of installing a regime that friendly to foreign investment? I don't agree with the idea but given the vast amount of untapped natural resources in Siberia it is semi plausible.

Its just conceivable the Chinese would set out to destabilize Russia. By doing so they could occupy Siberia under the guise of peacekeeping. I find this very unlikely because China's territorial claims and military build up are all directed towards the Pacific.

originally posted by: thepixelpusher

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: Phage
Because as we all know, lacking any real information, rumor rules.
It is after all the basis of the ATS motto.

Seriously?

You've shown repeated disdain for this thread -- original coverage of the overwhelming flood of information, coming in via social media, regarding the instability and uncertainty surrounding Putin's absence.

Face it, Social Media, and in this case Twitter, has become "the people's" news wire. If you can't deal with that, then you may as well pull the plug and get off the Internet now. It's how information dispersal is evolving, for better or worse. The only way to be certain we can weigh in on the "for the better" side of that equation is through collaborative threads that analyze the firehose of data, like this one.


It's unfortunate you show such knee-jerk scorn for this thread, and the intentions of using Twitter as both an information source, and dissemination medium. But the story is the story. And if you're unable to adapt, please, don't spread your sour grapes for the rest of us to step on.

Phage he has a point. Twitter is the back fence where gossip rules and is not the peoples' news…god forbid if it ever is. No one has their reputation on the line and no one has proof of what they say. The sources are not even close to the inner circle either. All Phage is saying is the situation is interesting and to wait for confirmation. Really that's all we can do.

Actually no. He has been rather negative about the fact that members are discussing rumors... despite the title of the thread being Rumor: Vladimir Putin Has Been Neutralized by a "Stealthy Coup"

All the while he could just not click on the thread and act as if it is not there.

*Warning* This entire thread is discussing rumors, per the title.

. from flight Radar

Russian government aircraft, often used by Mr Putin, just landed in St. Petersburg

originally posted by: SajeevJino
. from flight Radar

Russian government aircraft, often used by Mr Putin, just landed in St. Petersburg

Good find

a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

Just like anything, for 100 lies there are usually 2-3 kernels of truth.

I remember after the Boston bombing monitoring 3-4 Twitter feeds. About 90% of the tweets turned out to be false leads and BS, but a few of them panned out. My girl and I had a virtual "news room" going between 2-3 cable news networks and 4-8 combined Twitter feeds. When it was all said and done, less than 10% of the information turned out to be "true".

This is why I don't put a lot of stock in Twitter feeds. Many people misunderstand events and run with a "sky is falling" mentality. The alarmist tendency for tweets keeps me wary of using Twitter as a reliable source -- even during a national disaster. People will tweet any rumor they hear, and the nature of twitter lends a form of false credibility to them.

To me, Twitter is like an online water cooler -- the place to get the latest gossip and rumors. It takes a careful ear and discerning mind to sort out the garbage.

originally posted by: daaskapital
I don't know why Phage is getting a bad rap here. He is right to be cautious about all of this. We have seen how volatile such rumours can get. How fast, unreliable and unpredictable they are. We just have to look no more than 6 months ago to the disappearance of Kim-Jong Un for an example.

We shouldn't be jumping on every rumour unless there is something to it. Most of these rumours are coming from people who have no idea what is happening in the Kremlin. Most are in the dark, just as we are.

We don't have to jump on every rumour, and we don't have to wait for Fox News to get on to the story. No one is saying that we should wait. Just that we should be more careful in what sources we hold as reliable.

I like that ATS is all over this and picking the rumours apart. But i don't like the general disdain shown towards members who hold a higher standard of rigour regarding the veracity of information. Twitter is not always reliable.

I believe there would have been something more public already if there was such a high level power struggle going on. All I see are the existing anti-Putin voices putting this "Coup" thing out there and the Twitter gossip repeating rumors as fact.

SkepticalOverlord, will this thread go to the Hoax bin if Putin is seen in public and there is no evidence of a stealthy coup?

originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: MystikMushroom

They must've dropped the ball in North Korea then.

N. Korea isn't a threat -- and they developed their own. I'm talking about suitcase nukes going "missing" and nuclear missiles not firing. All of us in the conspiracy/UFO realm have heard of missiles "disarming".

originally posted by: thepixelpusher

originally posted by: daaskapital
I don't know why Phage is getting a bad rap here. He is right to be cautious about all of this. We have seen how volatile such rumours can get. How fast, unreliable and unpredictable they are. We just have to look no more than 6 months ago to the disappearance of Kim-Jong Un for an example.

We shouldn't be jumping on every rumour unless there is something to it. Most of these rumours are coming from people who have no idea what is happening in the Kremlin. Most are in the dark, just as we are.

We don't have to jump on every rumour, and we don't have to wait for Fox News to get on to the story. No one is saying that we should wait. Just that we should be more careful in what sources we hold as reliable.

I like that ATS is all over this and picking the rumours apart. But i don't like the general disdain shown towards members who hold a higher standard of rigour regarding the veracity of information. Twitter is not always reliable.

I believe there would have been something more public already if there was such a high level power struggle going on. All I see are the existing anti-Putin voices putting this "Coup" thing out there and the Twitter gossip repeating rumors as fact.

SkepticalOverlord, will this thread go to the Hoax bin if Putin is seen in public and there is no evidence of a stealthy coup?

I doubt it seeing as the embassy story thread, a rumor started by 4chan, is still alive and kicking.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I absolutely agree that we shouldn't just swallow anything and everything we hear. But I don't agree that doing a little but of speculation concerning a rumor is akin to not denying ignorance.

That old saying... Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see always applies IMO. Discussing it and swallowing it or two different animals.

This is what I love about ATS reading collaborative posts and snippets of info and watching it unfold.

Cheers to all.

My two cents:

As much as I dont like what Putin has become theres a saying in Spanish, and every country has its own versión -
"mejor mal conocido que mal para conocer"

Or

"better the devil you know"

When theres a power vacum to be filled we have to be Carefull with who fills it -

"We practice selective annihalation of mayors and government officials.
For example, we create a vacum and then we fill that vacum.
As popular war advances peace is closer" - quotation attributed to Peruvian guerrilla officer.

This is a tremendous rumor if theres no truth in it.

Hes openly admitted he organized and personaly controled the annexation of the Crimea. see the EFE newsagency report

After reading almost this entire thread, I'm still wondering where PUTIN IS!

Morning, just saw this Schrödingers Putin
It's just a comment no news, butit says this:

While the philosophers brood over yet whether Putin may be one dead and undead physically at the same time, I pronounce him dead. A president who disappeared eight days, of which there is no sign of life, despite two days gossip and ridicule, not a photo with a current newspaper, not an interview in which he comments on current issues, only a non-serious denial of the Kremlin spokesman and some announcements and assertions, all as counterfeit, prefabricated itself, contradictory or completely baseless turn out, has nothing more to say, or is dead. No matter how many babies he should have just witnessed. A fortiori, if no flag blowing in the Kremlin. If he had nothing more to say politically, it would be very annoying, so probably dead. That a sporty 62-year-old suddenly suffers a stroke or heart attack, is unlikely. Anyway, considering the dangers else is subjected to a ruthless dictator. Everything is half-hearted and unprofessional. The attack-is-the-best-defense-statement of the Kremlin spokesman that he still could hand a break, just like the fake appointments. If he still halfway presentable, though perhaps stammering of a stroke, one would photograph him at least with a smile and a current newspaper. On the other hand, tries to some extent to keep up appearances, that public opinion is not a damn. It all looks like it, as if you could not produce a more Putin in the future. As one would clarify only the "internal things" until one makes his death publicly.