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The American Nazi & the Cancerous Grouth

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posted on Dec, 22 2004 @ 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by makeitso
Say what you want.
Start your own business.
Be the next Bill Gates.
Print anything you wish.
Be a conscientious objector during war.
Practice whatever religion you wish.
Work whatever job you wish.
Shout at the president of the country from the front lawn.



Well said and very pertinant to the discussion at hand, your list of rights is spot on and my compliments for the way you expressed your thoughts.

Everyone can do all the things you listed, some however cannot take criticism for the way they take advantage of those very rights it is a two way street

Everyone is entitled to an opinion as well as suffering disagreement of that opinion.




posted on Dec, 22 2004 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
Makeitso- NOT FOR LONG!



dgtempe, you do realize claims such as those you have highlighted have been made for decades - far longer than the internet has existed with its sensational and inflammatory aspects advertised by such as you.

None have panned out.

dg, believe me when I say I am prepared to defend your constitutional rights as well as my own.

When and if the time is right that will be apparent, now is not the time.

Ever hear of the story of Don Qiuote? (sp) and tilting at windmills ?



posted on Dec, 22 2004 @ 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by Phoenix

dgtempe, you do realize claims such as those you have highlighted have been made for decades - far longer than the internet has existed with its sensational and inflammatory aspects advertised by such as you.



Sorry to disagree with you, Dg did not adverstised anything inflamatory, all she did was to start a thread and post a link.

After reading the link I personally see the point on the article, now occurs because your believes are to defend the president your see the article in a different light that I do.

And as for Don Quijote de la Mancha, yeah, we can related the madness of Don quijote to the madness of Mr. Bush.

Great Spanish classic, mandatory in high school reading in Spanish countries.



posted on Dec, 22 2004 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043


And as for Don Quijote de la Mancha, yeah, we can related the madness of Don quijote to the madness of Mr. Bush.

Great Spanish classic, mandatory in high school reading in Spanish countries.


Well Marg I reserve my right to express that the Don Quijote de la Mancha story applies to all with totally unproven claims such as you and your compadre dgtempe.

Hey keep tilting at those windmills, I can actually picture that in my mind.



posted on Dec, 23 2004 @ 01:38 AM
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Even here we have to listen to stuff like "the greatst democracy ever known". Seems even the writer of this interesting article can't get away frim this belief that "we invented freedom".

Again i will just say to him check out the Helvetic Confederation... Switzerland 1209 something i believe. A federal republic waaaay before the nightmare that is the US of A was even dreamt of.



posted on Dec, 23 2004 @ 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by Phoenix

Well Marga I reserve my right to express that the Don Quijote de la Mancha story applies to all with totally unproven claims such as you and your compadre dgtempe.

Hey keep tilting at those windmills, I can actually picture that in my mind.


Actually Phoenix I am glad and very humble that you had read one of our best Spanish classics.

Don Quijote though he was fighting and imaginary enemy and he saw that enemy on everything including the mills he though they were giants.

Kind of the giants that bush is fighting in his mind against the evils of the world.


You are nice Phoenix and very literate, even when we disagree about bush.


77

posted on Dec, 23 2004 @ 06:54 PM
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The Kennedy clan is tied to Nazism more than any other political family.
How about all those grave stones counted in the JFK election? No tampering there-HA!
The article you quote for this Item is meritless. At best jurnalistic trash.
I can not believe the number of liberals on this site.
When someone that has actually been active in coverups gives information here the cry comes up PROOF Give us Proof!!!
As if true information above top secret activity is already out on the net for all to read. Good Night.



posted on Dec, 23 2004 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by 77
The Kennedy clan is tied to Nazism more than any other political family.
yawn.....

The Kennedy family is NOT in the White House, Bush is.

Case closed



posted on Dec, 23 2004 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by 77
The Kennedy clan is tied to Nazism more than any other political family.
How about all those grave stones counted in the JFK election? No tampering there-HA!


Hey, don't go to sleep yet, pleased you want to talk about the Bushes empire link to nazi germany? I got a story to tell.


And some juicy links, is in the FBI records you know.



posted on Dec, 23 2004 @ 08:15 PM
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IMHO it shows a complete lack of intellectual ability if one is only able to equate "anti-democratic" and "anti-freedom" movements with National Socialism. There have been many political and intellectual movements which for many reasons have found themselves against democracy, freedom, liberty etc. Manuel Valenzuela, nor anyone thus far in this thread, has been able to indicate the reasons for using the term Amerikan Nazis.. Are you suggesting that Republicans & Co. are really National Socialists
Or are just using the term for "dramatic affect"
And by using the term you can "scare" people into believing you


I'm not suggesting that the Republicans do not want global domination, are fervant nationalists and want an end to democracy and liberty in America, or whatever is implied by the term American Nazis, simply the use of the term is childish .It forces people to argue over semantics, the extent to which America is National Socialist. Instead of arguing over what i think you mean by the term..... what one might call the "REAL" issues.

But if you genuinely believe that America is National Socialist than i would ask you kindly to go through the '25 Points' and thoroughly explain how National Socialism is implemented in America.....




THE PROGRAM OF THE N.S.D.A.P. : The 25 Points

The program of the NSDAP is a time program. Our leaders have pledged not to set new goals after achievement of the goals enumerated in this program, merely to continue our party through artificially increased dissatisfaction of the masses.

1. We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self- determination of all peoples.
2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.
3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.
4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.
5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.
6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen.
We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness.
7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non- citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.
8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.
9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.
10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.
Therefore we demand:
11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.
12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small trades people, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.
19. We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law.
20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.
21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.
22. We demand the abolition of the regular army and the creation of a national (folk) army.
23. We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:
(a) All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens.
(b) Non-German newspapers shall only be published with the express permission of the State. They must not be published in the German language.
(c) All financial interests in or in any way affecting German newspapers shall be forbidden to non- Germans by law, and we demand that the punishment for transgressing this law be the immediate suppression of the newspaper and the expulsion of the non-Germans from the Reich.
Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.
24. We demand freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend the moral and ethical sense of the Germanic race.
The party as such represents the point of view of a positive Christianity without binding itself to any one particular confession. It fights against the Jewish materialist spirit within and without, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our folk can only come about from within on the principle:

COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD

25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the
State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.
The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.
The leaders of the party undertake to promote the execution of the foregoing points at all costs, if necessary at the sacrifice of their own lives.

Munich, 24 February 1920



posted on Dec, 23 2004 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Humm, I don't think is hatred to point out the bad policies and judgments of our administration when it affects all Americans.

Now covering up for its mistakes and disregard the sign of its bad government is shameful and irresponsible.

Marg, like Phoenix said, what is going on in this country has been going on for decades. The presidency is but one branch of our government: the legislative and the judicial branches have both playes roles in the path our country has taken.
I like to say our country began it's decline in 1963.

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Phoenix,
BRAVO!!!
You said it better than I ever could. Way Above caliber post.



posted on Dec, 23 2004 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
Marg, like Phoenix said, what is going on in this country has been going on for decades. The presidency is but one branch of our government: the legislative and the judicial branches have both playes roles in the path our country has taken.
I like to say our country began it's decline in 1963.

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I know, I know is so sad, our great nation built to last for the people, our country has been kidnap and everything is just an illusion so we can feel confortable.

By the way I love the candy cane in the signature.


77

posted on Dec, 23 2004 @ 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe

A reminder of the way things really are and how we got this way.

www.informationclearinghouse.info...


The real Nazis in America are the Liberals backing Kennedy and his vermin.
www.freerepublic.com...
Please read the above perhaps it can wake you up for I am certain you and the others like you have no idea how things were much less ARE.



posted on Dec, 23 2004 @ 11:08 PM
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77, so you don't want to know about Prescot and his nazi link?

Whao, if we are going to talk about nazis in politics we have to be fair now.


I see a lot of vermin but it aint on the democrat side alone.


77

posted on Dec, 24 2004 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
77, so you don't want to know about Prescot and his nazi link?

Whao, if we are going to talk about nazis in politics we have to be fair now.


I see a lot of vermin but it aint on the democrat side alone.

Lets start with Prescott:
bioguide.congress.gov...
Please tell us about his attempt to overthrow the socialist FDR (friend to Stalin) and how a family of TEMPLARS are "linked to Nazi Germany" I am all eyes.
In fact all the "vermin" I have helped in trapping or taking out have belonged to the Democratic Party that grand old party that by it's very nature gather socialist (Hubert Humphry) and control freeks (LBJ).
How did one of the founding fathers put it "Government is best that governs least" - Being a Libertarian,
I can't cheer at the Bushes but as too often we Americans are forced to choose between two evils. Since Kerry is Kennedy's lap puppet,
I brought up Kennedy due to his practices of Nazi methods for Government control. Where does that annual income of over 146+ million dollars come from? If it were honest why not report it to the IRS? With the local branch of the FBI on the take I guess he can get by with murder.
But please post more on Prescott Sheldon Bush.



posted on Dec, 24 2004 @ 01:50 PM
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Well I guess knowing as yourself were the bush dynasty came from and their money we have not explanation. Right?

Just the fact that you want to bash this thread and post your opinions as facts. Right?

So keep the kennedy, kerry nazi link if that makes your happier.



After all the bush dynasty is the one in power with the granpa nazi record link. Right?



[edit on 24-12-2004 by marg6043]



posted on Dec, 25 2004 @ 11:03 AM
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Well, I'm sure glad that I'm not held responsible for things that my granpa did!



posted on Dec, 25 2004 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
Well, I'm sure glad that I'm not held responsible for things that my granpa did!



Yeah jso, guilt by association - another method of control practiced by totalitarian regimes of most persuations.

If ya can't be gotten on your own actions then surely you can be gotten on a relative's or ancesters action.

None the less a way will be found.

Isn't there something in our constitution about that?



posted on Dec, 25 2004 @ 06:25 PM
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What constitution Pheonix, I though the constitution was replace by the patriot act, and so to be re-design by the patrioct act 2.


And what can I say the Bush dynasty has a thing for totalitarian governments.



posted on Dec, 26 2004 @ 09:35 PM
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National socialism vs Nazism:

This was already covered by myself and several others members in my topic "Nazi America Has Risen" when we use the term Nazi it does not denote a political theory, but a literal and cultural definition of Nazi and Nazism.

Nazi: often nazi An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of Nazism; a fascist

Nazism: The ideology and practice of the Nazis, especially the policy of racist nationalism, national expansion, and state control of the economy.

The historical parallels certainly suggest neo-nazism:

1. Third Reich attacked by "terrorists/communists" leading to national emergency and the following:

2. Hilter established fatherland security on the pretext that national security has been breached and the Germans need protection from the unseen terrorists within.
3. Hilter butcherd the constitution and legislated police-state laws, ID card and internal passport.
4. Racial profiling was conducting against jews. German citzens were briefed to report jews or jew sympathizers to the state.
5. All citizens and children were required to be screened for mental heath problems.
6. Policing forces were set-up to patrol on German streets which resulted in police brutality against people
7. Concentration camps were set up to contain jews
8. Hitler fostered a unilateral foreign policy and invaded many countries
9. The german citizens remained oblivious
10. Milliions were murdered by the Nazis

Now compare point by point:


1. WTC attacked by "terrorists" leading to the following:

2. Bush establishes homeland security on the pretext that national security has been breached and the American people need protection from the unseen within.
3. Buch butchers the constitution and legislates police state laws, National ID card and internal passport
4. Racial/social profiling is conducted against Muslims and liberals and citizens are briefed to report them to the state.
5. All citizens are required to be screened for mental health
6. Policing forces are prepared and set-up to patrol American streets which has resulted in encounters of police brutality.
7. Concentration camps have been set up to contain dissidents
8. Bush has fostered a policy of the New World Order of unilateral foreign policy and pre-emptive war and has invaded many countries.
9. The American people are oblivious

Now, do we really want to wait and see if the 10th point becomes true as well? The risk is 90% in favour of that happening, and FEMA execute orders only make it seem inevitable. So the risk is most definitely real and dangerous and anyone who ignores that is being foolishly complacent.

As they say: Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

Bottomline: "Nazi" best describes America today.

[edit on 26-12-2004 by Indigo_Child]



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