The American Nazi & the Cancerous Grouth

A reminder of the way things really are and how we got this way.

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It doesnt surprise me there are no coments yet. Either some are afraid to coment or the vast majority of you think this isnt happening.

It isnt happening
It isnt happening
It isnt happening...

And we are supposed to take the word of Mr. Manuel Valenzuela as gospel. His jibberish is convincing to those who feel that the 2000 and 2004 elections were 'robbed,' like yourself, dgtempe.

It amazes me why informationclearinghouse has the slogan: "News You Won't Find on CNN". There right in a sense, ain't to many people who would believe much that comes from them and still be connected to reporting real news. Informationclearinghouse is nothing but a sounding board for those who are disgruntled with something or another.

Then you attempt to provoke interaction by saying such crap as:

Either some are afraid to coment or the vast majority of you think this isnt happening.

IMHO, going to take more than you and this article to convince me that what you feel is happening is actually taking place.

Good luck with your rebuttals and hopes for conversation when you wish to attract it with adages of what you have implied above.



seekerof

[edit on 17-12-2004 by Seekerof]

Well what do you expect; our country has become a country of the willing and blind followers to the present administration.

The same way Hitler has his followers that blindly die and kill for him we are seen the same concept growing here in the US.

Very soon we will see the same willing and blind followers using their rights under the patriot act and the will of god to persecute the ones that oppose the government.

Right now the attacks are seen as "those liberals" and "traitors" or "atheist" and "baby killers" or "terrorist lovers" and "muslin lovers" if you are against the invasion in Iraq.

It will not surprise me when the first neighbor will turn against neighbor in the name of our lord Mr. Bush.

Soon enough you will be afraid of loosing your job if you talk in a negative way against the administration. Or we will stop exercising our freedom of speech because our friends will turn against us.

Funny how our nation is changing and two groups are emerging, the "patriots" and the "enemies" of the state, you are either with the administration or against the them and as against them means you are an enemy of the state.

Just like any other totalitarian rule, the people usually is the last one to find out.

[edit on 17-12-2004 by marg6043]

Its the Hitler regime all over again. It is said that Hitler followers worshipped him when he was protecting his people against "terrorists" and if this isnt a carbon copy of those days i dont know what is.

You can think whatever you like, and call me mindless- I assume eventually this board will only be for Bush followers- Anyone else will be ridiculed as i have been ridiculed.
You're either with us or against us.

Enjoy your worship while you can. Your internet capabilities will be gone soon then you can try to lie to your neighbors and call them mindless and ridicule them if they "dare" go against you and your dumb mentality as to the real facts. Perhaps you'll do as they do in Communist nations, form a comittee of fingerpointing and turn your neighbors in and expose them for not believing in the crap the gov feeds you.

Good luck

[edit on 17-12-2004 by dgtempe]

I especially like the really radical part:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."

You know Marg and DG, our American Indian prophecies said all this was going to come to pass but us Natives have always been like 'yeah, sure, the Romans are just going to walk away and Israel will be Israel again.' I'm starting to think those old people really could see the future.

I agree with you DGtempe: Nazi America has risen. Anyone that supports the assaults on our civil rights or justifies genocides, racism, or satanism, are people hopelessly brainwashed, and sadly it is these kind of people that will be the Nazi and Nazi supporters of our time. I am sick to my stomach as you.

Originally posted by Chakotay

You know Marg and DG, our American Indian prophecies said all this was going to come to pass but us Natives have always been like 'yeah, sure, the Romans are just going to walk away and Israel will be Israel again.' I'm starting to think those old people really could see the future.

I have great respect for the native Americans and the ancient's culture they knew what they were talking about, their prophecies and visions hold the future and we have being warned, but we humans tend to go blind and deaf.

They new of the taking of their land many years before the Europeans came to their shores. I have read many of their predictions and I think I am going to get more into their prophecies of the future.

If you're not convinced that there was at the very least, something fishy about the election, Seekerof, then nothing will sway your opinion. No matter what this administration, or the right-wing facists might do, even if it was video taped, documented and witnessed by thousands, people like you Seekerof, would still never be convinced.

I am not saying that the article in question is gospel, but jesus christ, what more do you need to actually start questioning the credability of the people involved with this administration? If Kerry had been elected, you'd be up in arms over it and be looking for anything to smear Kerry or any other leftist with...

And if this had been said concerning Mr. Kerry, you would be saying just as I. Give me a break Thorfinn.

You can bet one thing and take it to the bank, I can downplay this current administration, I can bemoan it, and I can question its actions, but in no uncertain terms would I compare it to nazism. Come to think of it, the use of "nazism" can be sayed for a variety of past presidential administration, but to hear you and others, "nazism" or the drift towards it, is "new" and only happened or happening with this current administration. Sad really, but 9/11 did change a great many things, and as with those changes, discontent and division has occurred.

How ironic and strange, eh?




seekerof

Originally posted by Seekerof
And if this had been said concerning Mr. Kerry, you would be saying just as I. Give me a break Thorfinn.

No, I wouldn't. I have no faith in today's presidential runners or in politicians in general. I think corruption comes with the job. Infact, I think Kerry was just a red herring.

You can bet one thing and take it to the bank, I can downplay this current administration,

You could, but it seems you are willing to defend any wrong doing it commits.

I can bemoan it, and I can question its actions, but in no uncertain terms would I compare it to nazism.

Neither would I...not yet. I believe it to be a new monster.

Come to think of it, the use of "nazism" can be sayed for a variety of past presidential administration, but to hear you and others, "nazism" or the drift towards it, is "new" and only happened or happening with this current administration. Sad really, but 9/11 did change a great many things, and as with those changes, discontent and division has occurred.

Discontent and division that is encouraged by this administration and the evangelicals that whisper into it's ear...



[edit on 17-12-2004 by Thorfinn Skullsplitter]

They way the president has won the last two elections should be proof enough of something no going right in our government, the people of this country is ignoring the signs they are all over and spreading fast.

Division, finger pointing and the feeling that we are not as safe or free as we should be lingers in the air.

I am more worry about my government right now that the terrorist doing something to our nation.

This is are my honest feelings and something that nobody is going to change until things starts to look diferent.

i;,m drunk but wtf fight for democracy like hte ukraine mofos, cmon dont make me come over there!!!!

Fight for Democracy?




Who's gonna do it?

Originally posted by dgtempe

It doesnt surprise me there are no coments yet. Either some are afraid to coment or the vast majority of you think this isnt happening.

No, that isn't it. It's just that comments like:

Well what do you expect; our country has become a country of the willing and blind followers to the present administration.

The same way Hitler has his followers that blindly die and kill for him we are seen the same concept growing here in the US.

Very soon we will see the same willing and blind followers using their rights under the patriot act and the will of god to persecute the ones that oppose the government.

Its the Hitler regime all over again. It is said that Hitler followers worshipped him when he was protecting his people against "terrorists" and if this isnt a carbon copy of those days i dont know what is.

Enjoy your worship while you can.

No matter what this administration, or the right-wing facists might do, even if it was video taped, documented and witnessed by thousands, people like you Seekerof, would still never be convinced.

This gets very tiresome after awhile. It's just that if something that is posted about Bush, we might or might not respond, depending upon whether or not we agree with him.

You, on the other hand, can always be counted upon to react with the same old hatred as you see above, regardless of the facts.

Humm, I don't think is hatred to point out the bad policies and judgments of our administration when it affects all Americans.

Now covering up for its mistakes and disregard the sign of its bad government is shameful and irresponsible.

Originally posted by jsobecky
This gets very tiresome after awhile. It's just that if something that is posted about Bush, we might or might not respond, depending upon whether or not we agree with him.

You, on the other hand, can always be counted upon to react with the same old hatred as you see above, regardless of the facts.

And the Bush supporter can always be counted on to support a criminal administration for no valid reason. It gets tiresome. I tend to hate lying, thieving political figures...

Originally posted by marg6043

Division, finger pointing and the feeling that we are not as safe or free as we should be lingers in the air.

Well first there is the division caused in whole by democrats that are aghast that they failed to steal the election in 2000 by selective recount and ballot rigging.

Next this country suffered a grevious attack rivaling pearl harbor on 9/11 and I've heard nothing but hand wringing and second guessing since from political partisans that could give one whit about ending terrorism if it impedes their precious little self interest in whatever cause they are wrapped up in at the moment. Its well past the point of being sickening.

All the while domestic self interest ruled in holding up minority and women judicial candidates based on the flimsiest of excuses by a minority democratic block in the senate bent on a mission of bridge burning. One wonders where these divisions spoken of come from?

Now that we're at war those that most vocally rail against it also speak from their flapping lower cheeks making the oh so hypocritical whining statement "but weeee suppooort the troops" yeah right! and one goes on wondering why there is a division in this country.

When carols can not be sung by children in the public square, red and green napkins are not allowed in school and the pledge of alliegence is under attack and all the while courses teaching other religions and or their rituals are required course work in those same or similar schools. Still those on the left wonder why oh why can't we all come together - If only those evil nasty divisive conservatives would just see things as we do then the world would be in the mold our minds desire is the question silently always asked.

That is a 1984ish nightmare if ever one was imagined.

When a majority of voters had had enough of this silliness and abject refusal of reality by the left and voted Bush in for a second term the most extreme of the left leaning population cannot and will not examine their own actions as a cause but are fast and quick to blame anyone or anything else but their own fanaticism for the sea change in politics that has occured across the nation - people are getting sick and tired of professional fulltime whiners. Look at state races to validate this if the presidential election is not enough for you - more of us want positive action and a positive attitude in dealing with the challenges that face this nation.

But still one is confused and angry that division exists.

The decades long incremental attack on our rights and freedoms was and is driven by a socialist movement existing in this country for far longer than most would believe or accept.

The true rights we have are those spelled out clearly in the United States Constitution and its amendments, the rights we have been led to believe we have as inferred by activist courts come usually at the expense of someone else's rights for social or societal reasons that at the time appear to right a percieved wrong but have a dampening effect on what we call freedom.

Those on the left seem to want a version of freedom without the right of dissent or opinion whereby no one is ever allowed to be "offended" by anothers differing thought or opinion.

Take temporary solace in the fact that it appears at least the Washington Govenorship seems to have been successfully stolen by the liberals. Just don't be surprised when those disenfranchised nazi voters appear to be in a divisive mood.

PS: Lets remember that it was called in translation the National Socialist Party (Nazi) and was just to the right of Communism in that they had a state directed industrial base instead of a state owned industry - not much real difference though both governments mass murdered their own citizens as well as others unabashedly without remorse.

Neither system is remotely comparable to our form of government in any shape or manner. To do so is demonstrating extreme ignorance of political systems and constitutes an affront to those that believe in this nation and its people.

I realize that I am being radical in my own fashion here but the subject matter of this thread and some of the responses really tick me off

I am begining to believe that freedom if it whacked some up side the head still would not be ever understood by some here strictly due to their special interests or whats "cool" to be espousing at the moment in counter-culture circles never understanding what road they are on







[edit on 22-12-2004 by Phoenix]

Say what you want.
Start your own business.
Be the next Bill Gates.
Print anything you wish.
Be a conscientious objector during war.
Practice whatever religion you wish.
Work whatever job you wish.
Shout at the president of the country from the front lawn.
Protest everthing you desire.
Party all night long.
Get up tomorrow and drive anywhere you want.
Travel anywhere you wish.
Marry who you want when you want.
Get good medical attention.
Buy what you want.
Build what you want.
Purchase the weapon you want.
Get a world class education.

Just how do you equate this with the Nazi?

The mere fact that your post & the link it refers to even exists refutes most of your assertions. Try talking with someone who live thru the Nazi era, and you will find that even the few above listed freedoms didn't exist during the Nazi era. Your assertions are rubbish IMHO.

Makeitso- NOT FOR LONG!