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originally posted by: OneManArmy
originally posted by: TechUnique
a reply to: OneManArmy
I think she is probably a victim in this as well. Some would argue the biggest victim outside of the family involved. I honestly think she is genuine in her beliefs. The interview will highlight whatever needs to be highlighted anyway.
I think that could well prove correct, she does seem emotionally fragile at the moment, and quite susceptible to stories as emotive as this one.
In the video I posted earlier of the "Swedish Feminist Nightmare", the first case for the first hour of the video managed to suck a very highly respected Swedish politician into a fantasy the same way. Its a valuable watch for anyone that would like to see the damage done to already abused and damaged individuals. All down to the paranoid delusions of a couple of womens refuge volunteers.
Sometimes a little bit of fact checking can go a very long way. When your judgement is impaired with emotion, that can be an almost impossible task.
Normally rational people can do very irrational things when upset. And thats just me.
originally posted by: dominicus
This can all be proven so simple.
1. DO the kids have physical sexual abuse trauma according to medical examiners
2. Do the people named, have the tattoos/birthmarks/warts that the kids described.
Its so mind bendingly simple and super rational.
originally posted by: OneManArmy
originally posted by: dominicus
This can all be proven so simple.
1. DO the kids have physical sexual abuse trauma according to medical examiners
2. Do the people named, have the tattoos/birthmarks/warts that the kids described.
Its so mind bendingly simple and super rational.
If its so simple sherlock, why dont you go and get a rag tag band of pitchfork bearing fanatics, go to the school and parade the head teacher up in front of all the kids and get her to "prove her innocence" for the whole world to see.
I ask you this, what then if no birthmark happens to be there?
Will you be paying the poor lady compensation?
Im not sure what wild west lawless state you live in, but in the world of justice, there is a small thing called due process. And equality under the law. And just a small small problem known as INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
Its not GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT.
God forbid you ever get falsely accused of anything, let alone this sort of thing, but you will understand the value of due process and innocent until proven guilty.
2. What if those who may have coached these claims from the children, are part of a swingers group and has been sexually active with those being accused?
originally posted by: skitzspiricy
a reply to: dominicus
So you want these people to get naked on the internet? Wow, OK.
Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds?.
originally posted by: skitzspiricy
a reply to: dominicus
Ummm wow, OK.
I think i would just go to the police station.
originally posted by: skitzspiricy
a reply to: dominicus
Methinks you need to take a step back from this story, have a day off. Pamper yourself and come back to it witha clearer mind.
It is easy now in hindsight, now that I have seen all the videos, to understand how Abraham 'coached' those kids and the method he used.
originally posted by: dominicus
a reply to: midicon
It is easy now in hindsight, now that I have seen all the videos, to understand how Abraham 'coached' those kids and the method he used.
OR are the cops coaching the kids?
LEt Abraham and the children take lie detector test by and independent tester, let all the parties involved come forward for testing to prove their innocence.
There are other witnesses coming forward. There are many things going on in a TOR forum about this case. Some of the parties involved w/ tattoo removal, people hiding, cover ups, etc.
can't trust the cops or child services
originally posted by: midicon
Thought I'd give the thread a bump and throw in where I am now on this.
I can't believe I have signed a petition that supports returning these kids to the mother. It shows how easy it is to get it wrong. Like so many I believed the children's initial tale, probably for much the same reasons. The instinct to believe them is strong and how could anyone coach those kids to weave such a tale so convincingly? But there was always a nagging doubt about those videos produced by Abraham but I couldn't put my finger exactly why. For me there was something wrong in the way the whole thing was set up and the adults concerned approach to the subject matter and the children.
It is easy now in hindsight, now that I have seen all the videos, to understand how Abraham 'coached' those kids and the method he used. The script already had the players and the settings, which the children knew well. He would then repeatedly go over a setting like say, the church and question Gabriel on his experience there. He tells Gabriel to tell the truth but Gabriel can't because the truth results in a blow, so in order to avoid that he has to say what Abraham wants to hear. Not only that but Gabriel has to be inventive, as he said when Abraham asked what they did with the skulls and Gabriel is desperately thinking of something and comes up with 'they dance with them'. What an effective memory aid, repeat it constantly and any deviation is called a lie and results in a blow or the water treatment etc. The lie becomes the truth and vice versa. Before the recant little Alisa says, but he only hits us or gives us water torture to get us to tell the truth'. How twisted is that guy?
Anyway my best ending scenario is, temporary foster care with a view to staying with their dad, if feasible. I hope the court doesn't decide in favour of the grandparents, they seem nice enough but somehow I think the mother would get involved. As for Abraham, he might turn up outside the hearing, I wouldn't put it past him. He also may have a lot of support from those that are there. You couldn't make it up.
Lastly, those kids have lost everything, home, school, friends. They have no one really to turn to and are still living in fear of having to face Abraham.
originally posted by: midicon
a reply to: dominicus
Tattoo removal? Do you really think people are stupid. I did read of a fake Facebook account of the headmistress being set up with a link to tattoo removal. How in the name of God would anyone know about someone having a tattoo removed unless they advertise it? People are hiding from people like you.
originally posted by: dominicus
Would you not want to clear your name if it was you? WOuld you agree to an independent examination?