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"The Graves' son spots the thing first right in front of the house over the street. To him it manifests as a circle of five pretty colored lights. His sister rushes out and sees the same manifestation just slightly further away across the street. Mrs. Graves follows and sees the circle of colored lights spinning, which she feels are mounted on an object. The object is still very close at that time. Finally Dad gets out of the house and sees a circle of colored lights moving down the street. He also believes this to be a solid object.
By the time Officer Velthouse gets there, and even though this initial motion has been like a slow cruising, the thing is fairly far away and he basically sees just two lights, or perhaps it is just two at a time. It is still plenty of corroborating testimony to make it all stand up."
"We are seeing four lights going back and forth. It's a circle of lights and they split apart leaving three, split apart leaving just two. Then they are like a 'V'
...when I search for photo/video examples of AP, ionspheric plasma, ionosphere conductivity, airglow phenomenon, etc., they do not visually compare or share any characteristics to what people are describing they saw in the sky at all.
The Hessdalen Lights remain a mystery, but I really think this is something very similar!! Greeat teamwork there!
originally posted by: Bybyots
So, the paper is called Data Analysis of Anomalous Luminous Phenomena in Hessdalen. Interestingly enough, it also cites the Brovetto and Maxia paper on ionospheric plasmas that Project Condign cites. It's also a bear getting any text copied out of it, but I think if you haven't already read it that you are probably interested enough to go check it out.
The paper discusses some really interesting aspects of the phenomenon, such as how the phenomenon has a time variability that may be closely linked with solar activity. Also, how the "luminous phenomenon" coincides with "peculiar pulsing magnetic disturbances"; really neat stuff. It also describes how the Hessdalen lights also come together and go apart in a synchronised way.
I was particularly interested that they explicitly state that they take a systematic approach to the study and this is demonstrated in the discussion, however they do recognise that there is an interconnectedness at play in the manifestation of the phenomenon but fail to run with this and begin looking at the situation systemically. That is a pity.
originally posted by: NYCUltra
Good work, there. The only thing that gets me is that when I search for photo/video examples of AP, ionspheric plasma, ionosphere conductivity, airglow phenomenon, etc., they do not visually compare or share any characteristics to what people are describing they saw in the sky at all. I don't think it was any of these, but you mentioned the Hessdalen Lights.
Let's look at how the lights are described..
originally posted by: NYCUltra
This must be one of the best corroborated visual to radar eyewitness accounts out there.
Interviews at 36:10
Full Report / Thread
It looks like something else is going on in Hessdalen,
originally posted by: Bybyots
Do you mean in the sense that papers like this insist on holding out an olive-branch to the ETH folks? I would tend to agree with you there. I use the "read3X" rule when I encounter stuff like the Hessdalen paper, I read it three times, look up stuff I don't understand, and then relax on a fourth reading. I just realized: that's sort of like a reading-pranayam, but I digress (again). My point being that the paper kept ending with a "clunk" and I haven't been able to quite articulate why.
Is it proven that 95% of Hessdalen phenomena is plasma? Or are we still talking about UFOs? I read that conclusion of the research was that "...its behavior most often unpredictable." And unknown origin.
No, it is not proven that the Hessdalen Phenomena is a plasma, but in many cases it might be a possibility. The many differences of shapes, colors, lifetime, behavior etc. makes us believe there may be different types of phenomena we are studying. There may be several answers to the question: What is it?
You may call it UFO, if you use J.Allen Hynek’s definition. But if you think of spacecrafts, we have very few sightings which indicate such.
Are there proof that we don’t talk about plasma?
Some of the sightings are difficult to explain as plasma, but many others are easier to explain as plasma. Remember plasma is a state. Other states are frozen (hard), liquid, gas, and then plasma. Which state “something” has, is depending on the temperature. A plasma state is mostly when there is a high temperature. The few times we have had the possibility to get the temperature, there are no indication of high temperature. None have ever indicated heat, even when they have been relative close to the phenomena. We don’t have any burn marks when it has touched the ground. However, we don’t know the temperature of the sightings up in the air,
There are probably several solutions to what the Hessdalen Phenomena are. Look at my answer to your question no.1
100% of the sightings of the Hessdalen Phenomena (HP) are unsolved. It is unsolved even if you find out something about it. It is not solved, even if it should be found to be plasma, or anything else. If it is plasma, the big question is: How can that plasma occur, and live in Hessdalen, Where does the energy come from, etc. When we found possible Scandium in a couple of cases, it is not solved. If you say it is solved when you find Scandium (or any other element) in it, you could say you have found out the solution of a car, when you find there is iron in the car. It is a long way from the element iron, to the car. I hope you understand what I am trying to tell.
When something is recorded on radar, it tells that it reflect electromagnetic waves. Strong reflections indicate a strong gradient of some kind. It doesn’t need to be a solid object to be captured on radar. Only a strong gradient is needed. For instance a local high ionization, or a high energy Rydberg state.
What about that Doppler VLF noise? I heard that others type of plasma can make that sound. Like sprites.
The “possible” Doppler VLF signals are still a mystery. What can move in such a high speed?
Can you tell us more about Doppler VLF signals? Any theories ?
It just looked as something transmitting a VLF signals was moving very fast. No theories.
After researchers done laser test they felt like in boat. Did you ever measured low-frequency EM-field?
The feeling of “standing in a waving boat” did not occur in connection with the laser test. When such waving feeling came, we had no instruments running, which measured low-frequency EM signals. Such waving feeling, which indicate some influence of the inner ear, can occur when there are strong low-frequency EM signals, or low-frequency sound waves (infra sound)
Are there any theories about feeling of “standing in a waving boat”? What can produce low f. EM signals or Infra sound?
No good theories exists.
originally posted by: Bybyots
The part I am not understanding at this point is why this has to be dressed up as a “UFO portal”, which alludes to all sorts of whack-bag madness.
Listen at 2:50, the scientists at Hessdalen are excited that they may be on to something that may help solve the world's energy problems, not aliens.
In May of 2002 Strand and Adams became aware of each other’s research and began collaborating. They have assembled two portable monitoring stations. The missions below describe the ongoing research efforts using the portable stations to solve the mystery of the lights.
In a recent interview, you have stated that “…you have had several daytime observations, where you have seen flying discs, etc…”Even if not related to the HP, could you please provide more details on such sightings?
I have had only three daytime observations, so the word “several” is wrong. I have however seen several unexplainable “things”, – such which goes into another category than HP or ufo. Two of those three observations was a flying disc. The third was a “black hole”. I did not get the impression that I was looking onto a black object, it was more like a hole into something completely black. This “black hole” changed size all the time.
Abstract—For six decades now luminous and other unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) have been sighted worldwide in large numbers. Extensive scientific unidentified aerial phenomena observations have been made over the last 26 years in iHessdalen, Norway. The optical properties of luminous UAPs have been described in detail, but all efforts to explain them by terrestrial causes have failed. Earlier scientific attempts to explain UAPs by extraterrestrial visitation (ETV) have failed as well. A new ETV hypothesis is proposed which aims at causally explaining all luminous UAP sightings in Hessdalen and most elsewhere. To this end a galactic neighborhood scenario and model is defined. It explains why a stealth ETV probe equipped with artificial intelligence (Al) has been built by an exo-civilization and sent in a historical past into our solar system. It states that this extraterrestrial visitation probe (ETVP), now orbiting the earth, occasionally sends a stealth electromagnetic beam (SEMB) down into the atmosphere. It explains in detail how such an SEMB produces luminous UAPs by means of a nonlinear photonic mechanism which, as such, has been known and investigated since 1995 as a branch of current femtosecond physics. This photon mechanism is further developed into a UAP-A and a UAP-B model. Together the two models explain all optical Hessdalen observations.
The absence of any scientifically acceptable theory to explain UAPs has spurred the creation of thousands of Internet articles, books, movies etc., which offer pseudo-scientific or else fantasy explanations. For the general public, observable UAP properties have become indistinguishable from fictional UFO properties, and knowledge about UAPs has become mixed up with irrational beliefs. This is contrary to what an enlightened, democratic, and responsible society should head for.
Another idea is that the lights are powered by radioactivity -- specifically, the decay of radon in the atmosphere. This was put forward by Gerson Paiva and Carlton Taft of the Brazilian Center for Physics Research in Rio de Janeiro, who have created ball lightning and plasmas in the lab. In 2010 they suggested that the Hessdalen lights are made up of "dusty plasma" -- one containing ionised dust particles. Paiva and Taft have used radon decay to make dusty plasmas and believe that something similar could occur in Hessdalen. (Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, vol 72, p 1200).
Coppins accepts that radioactive decay could generate some kind of plasma. Unfortunately, every search for radioactivity in Hessdalen since the very first field experiments in 1984 has failed to find evidence of it; indeed background radioactivity is lower in the valley than in the surrounding area. Even so, Hauge is searching for radon as a priority this year, and is placing radon detectors in an area where a large light was seen. He admits that the team has found no large radon-emitting rocks in the area, but points to nearby mines that are now filled with water. Could big radon bubbles be erupting from deep in the ground, picking up dust from the water's surface as they enter the air? "The bubble comes up and whoosh!" he says.
The other main strand of research later this year will be led by Jader Monari of the Institute of Radio Astronomy in Medicina, Italy, who has been studying the spectrum of the lights and electrical anomalies in the valley since 1996. This year, though, he will turn his attention to the valley's unique geology in search of evidence of a novel source of energy.
In 2011 Monari and his team analysed rock samples from Hessdalen and found that it is a valley of two halves: the rocks on one side of the Hesja river are rich in zinc and iron, those on the other are rich in copper. Then, during the 2012 mission someone mentioned an abandoned sulphur mine in the valley. "For me it was news," says Monari. "We found zinc and iron on one side and copper on the other. If there is sulphur in the water in the middle, it makes a perfect battery."
Monari suspects that the iron and zinc form the anode of this natural battery, the copper makes the cathode, and sulphuric acid leached out of the mine turns the river into an electrolyte. This, he says, could explain a strange electric field anomaly that they measured in 2010.
To test the idea, he and his colleague Romano Serra from the University of Bologna, Italy, set up a pair of rocks from opposite sides of the valley as electrodes, and dunked them in river sediment to mimic a battery. They found that a current flowed between the two. "It was possible to light a lamp," says Monari.
Monari suggests that this unique geology contributes to the lights in two ways. First, it supplies bubbles of ionised gas, formed when sulphurous fumes react with the humid air of the valley. Second, it forms electromagnetic field lines in the valley that could move the bubble around. "This electrical field creates a path that could be the 'main road' of the lights inside the valley," he says.
This seems to fit with the evidence. If the ion bubbles are a cold plasma that hasn't been energised enough to emit visible light, it is possible that they would float around the valley invisibly, revealed only by radar pulses bouncing off them.
Scandium is used primarily as a light source. About 20 kilograms of scandium are used yearly in the United States to produce high-intensity lights. Scandium’s radioactive isotope is used as a tracing agent in refinery crackers for crude oil and other materials. When scandium iodide is added to mercury vapor lamps, it produces a highly efficient light source that resembles sunlight. This is used for indoor and nighttime color television
originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: karl 12
I didn't hear any people actually say cylinder in their description during call in to 911.
Karl do you know if out there all the callers testimony can be heard? This recording whilst valuable for the corroborating call to the weather service, doesn't present all the calls it can. Are they out there to hear….anyone know?
I'd like to hear more descriptions.
originally posted by: zazzafrazz
Loving these thread replies.
My only thing is....this isn't Hassdelon.
I know its easier to review and discuss the Norwegian phenomena we have so much evidence to review, but it is a deifferen event and different location.
9. After researchers done laser test they felt like in boat. Did you ever measured low-frequency EM-field?
The feeling of “standing in a waving boat” did not occur in connection with the laser test. When such waving feeling came, we had no instruments running, which measured low-frequency EM signals.
Such waving feeling, which indicate some influence of the inner ear, can occur when there are strong low-frequency EM signals, or low-frequency sound waves (infra sound)
Combining their results with what’s known about the inner ear, the researchers surmised that MRI-related vertigo most likely relates to interplay between electrical currents flowing through the salty fluid in the canals of the labyrinth and MRI’s magnetic field.
Roberts notes the finding not only solves a decades-long scientific question, but also has implications for research that uses MRI. In one technique, known as functional MRI, researchers measure brain activity by tracking blood flow in the brain as subjects perform tasks. The new findings suggest that the scanner itself could be causing previously unnoticed brain activity related to movement and balance, potentially affecting results.
“We’ve shown that even when you think there’s nothing happening in the brain while volunteers are in the scanner, there’s actually a lot happening because MRI itself is causing some effect,” Roberts says.
Johns Hopkins Researchers Pinpoint the Cause of MRI Vertigo