The Truth is Unspeakable; American Sniper unloads on 'American Sniper'

a reply to: RoScoLaz4

This year will be my first attempt at "making a difference"...

However I do think there is a futility to voting.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Answer

I should have elaborated on th kill count, I have said that since...
I thought people would understand that since that is the prominent issue surrounding Kyle, not his service or morality in general.

Unfortunately, the kill count was the main focus of the media. Folks who have been in the military or are familiar with the military do not place an emphasis on kill count. They look at the lives saved and the character of the warrior.

It's impossible to know how many lives were saved directly and indirectly by Chris Kyle and all of the snipers, pilots, and artillery troops in Iraq. There are probably several pilots who have a "kill count" 2-3 times higher than Kyle but they aren't glorified like snipers and, strangely, no one is calling them cowards for flying a jet 10,000 feet above the enemy.

Chris Kyle was made into a legend and the media focused on his kill count. He didn't want the attention and he certainly didn't care about his kill count. The book "American Sniper" was going to happen with or without his input so he got involved to make sure it was accurate. What followed were dozens of interviews because "the deadliest sniper in US history" had a nice ring to it. Nearly every single interview I've seen with Kyle, they inevitably ask about the kill count and whether he regrets killing or misses killing people. That's what non-military people focus on because they can't fathom the ugly task of taking another person's life and they assume that a person who does that job as effectively as Kyle must have a screw loose. It was the act of killing and the horrible face of war that caused emotional problems for Chris. He came back from war a changed man and he was only able to crawl out of that dark hole by helping wounded veterans.

Chris Kyle was an idealist, like I and so many others were in 2001/2002. He was sent to fight a war that he thought was just, because his government told him so. He did his job very effectively and he had the physical and emotional scars to show for it. Far be it for those who have never experienced war to call the man a coward or a sociopath for protecting his brothers in arms. I can relate to Kyle in many ways and I will not stay silent while others attempt to tarnish his legacy because of ignorance or willful malice.

a reply to: Strawberry88

They aren't, they are INSURGENTS or GUERILLA fighters unless they attack CIVILIANS on PURPOSE then WE ARE MURDERERS.
This is a forum NOT a spelling BEE.

a reply to: purplemer

Are you honestly trying to poetically suggest that I am for the wars and this Govt??

Please, actually think who you are responding to and try that again.

Just because I am the way I am for the Military, doesn't mean I back the Wars or this Corrupt Progressive Govt.

If attacked here, then I would be seen as the enemy to those attacking. I accept that, as that is the natural order of things.
Doesn't really mean a damn thing to me though.

And I can clearly define and identify who the enemy is. Guess you, and Clown Shoes 0bama still aren't willing to put a face to the issue.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Dark Interior is excellent cav!

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

TRY to find out who does what YOU want MOST and hope they don't flip later.THAT is all we get.
Money changes ALL of it.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

TOO bad I haven't the sightes idea how to get a job.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

He isn't just a person who is against the 2nd Amendment, he is a sloven Progressive who backs more Govt control. But, none of that applies to him personally.

He is the recent Assclown to make statements in regards to the movie. Have you not seen what he stated, backpedaled on and then stated again?

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
MY art apparently worthless as it is...krithargus.deviantart.com...

Good stuff. Have you done any logo work?

a reply to: macman

Just because I am the way I am for the Military, doesn't mean I back the Wars or this Corrupt Progressive Govt.

Yes I am suggesting you are for the wars how can you be anything else when you support the military. Thats like saying I support ISIS but i dont support the idea behind them.

BLind unquestioning faith of the military does not support a reasoning mind.

purp.

a reply to: Answer

And that's been my whole point, however poorly it came across, since page 1...
I'm not taking anything away from Kyle...

imo I think I'm giving him a sense of Humanity that others are taking away with their glorification of something the majority of people will never understand or live with.


I don't think anyone has ever fought for their Government or "representatives"...
& it's all too often that I hear that argument raised to demoralise or dehumanise Vets...

Only for their fellow citizens and Military brothers & sisters do people choose to fight...
& that, I'll celebrate.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Soldiers don't MURDER they kill YOU DO know there is a difference RIGHT?

Sounds like the sort of thing a government would say. They need to be slippery with words to whitewash their actions.

So tell me what the difference because I cant see a difference.

Just because some ahole in a suit and tie says it ok does not make it ok...

a reply to: macman

No I haven't paid attention to Michael Moore since Bowling For Columbine came out...

He definitely tried to tug Heartstrings with that "documentary"...

Wasn't impressed with the narrative to be honest.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: macman

Just because I am the way I am for the Military, doesn't mean I back the Wars or this Corrupt Progressive Govt.

Yes I am suggesting you are for the wars how can you be anything else when you support the military. Thats like saying I support ISIS but i dont support the idea behind them.

BLind unquestioning faith of the military does not support a reasoning mind.

purp.

This is always where the anti-war group gets it wrong and faces the wrath of the military supporters.

The guy on the ground doesn't get to decide where he is sent. Politicians make those decisions after they're directed by whatever dark force is hiding behind them and filling their pockets.

I was in the military in 2002. We all thought what we were doing was right. After being deployed, many started to question the motives of the government and WHY we were over there. In hindsight, the vast majority of current and former military think the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were a monumental waste of time, money, and lives.

Direct your hate at the responsible parties, not the poor 18-24 year old S.O.B. who had too much faith in his government.

a reply to: cuckooold
I think in some ways hte liberal press is exploiting a wounded man who came home from war. I respect Garett, irregardless of what he believes, even if he chooses to talk down the services he performed while on duty. There's no doubt war enacts a heavy toll on those fighting. They're expected to come back home and behave normally, after experiencing extreme trauma half a world away and possibly universes away psychologically. I have to feel sorrow and yet great respect. Still, that doesn't mean Garett is right and the war shouldn't have been fought. Sadly, the liberal press will use him and not acknowledge any positive depiction of the war. They don't truly respect him, as the only reason he's on their radar is because he agrees with them.

a reply to: purplemer

I am for the hammer, but not when misused.

I am not the person to decide what war is to go where.

I back the Military. Very simple.

I can't help it if you don't understand this. Guess that is one of your major problems. You just don't get it.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

And it was based on lies.

The anti-capitalism movie is the icing on the cake. He bemoans it, yet how many homes does he own?

He is a POS, plain and simple.

a reply to: Answer

In the 70s I did MANY band names. I mostly do illustrative work as I haven't the measured hand of a graphics specialist.

a reply to: macman

Well look at that mac, we finally agree on something


Long may it continue.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Answer

In the 70s I did MANY band names. I mostly do illustrative work as I haven't the meaured hand of a graphics specialist.

I sent you a PM. Let's talk.