Why did God, in foreknowledge of man, still create man?

originally posted by: backcase
[post]originally posted by: Tangerine



Perhaps, but I am not unfamiliar with the True God.

In that case, do share the facts about this God. Facts, of course, being based on testable evidence only.

a reply to: Akragon

I'm going to nip this in the bud and say that this is not a Paul thread.

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: backcase
[post]originally posted by: Tangerine



Perhaps, but I am not unfamiliar with the True God.

In that case, do share the facts about this God. Facts, of course, being based on testable evidence only.

There are many other more relevant threads where you can discuss that. I'm sure you will find another willing to discuss these matters with you.

a reply to: backcase

Fair enough...

To answer your question... I would say God made us to experience

Knowing full well that we would do our own thing...

Then some cunning individuals figured out that if they told others they spoke to God, they could get people to do as they wished...

the rest is history...

a reply to: backcase

None of it makes any sense because it's a story made up by man.
And that's a fact.

"If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him."
- Voltaire

originally posted by: backcase

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: backcase
[post]originally posted by: Tangerine



Perhaps, but I am not unfamiliar with the True God.

In that case, do share the facts about this God. Facts, of course, being based on testable evidence only.

There are many other more relevant threads where you can discuss that. I'm sure you will find another willing to discuss these matters with you.

If you don't want to discuss your claims of fact, why do you make them?

a reply to: backcase

He imaged/created us in order to make godly offspring. That is, to make Bride/Church, because he loves us/for his pleasure.

Genesis 1:28
Malachi 2:15
Matthew 9:14-15
Revelation 21:2
Revelation 21:9
Revelation 22:17
Revelation 4:11
and many more verses.

We are the image of his temple, the Bride, the Church. Our spirit is that of Church/Bride and the spirit of the Church/Bride/children, its will, and purpose, is to take in the Spirit. We take in the Spirit/his will and become the image thereof.

Why did he proceed in creating the Bride/Church/children/coheirs instead of ending us all in the flood?

Because some will become/overcome/succeed. Because his word will not come back empty. Isaiah 55:11

a reply to: iDope

From my perspective, I don't know. All I can see of His plan is what has played out. So asking me this question is a moot point because I don't know and can't know. None of us here can.

Only God knows because only He knows the plan, and He's not going to post on ATS to tell us.

originally posted by: Bleeeeep
a reply to: backcase

He imaged/created us in order to make godly offspring. That is, to make Bride/Church, because he loves us/for his pleasure.

Genesis 1:28
Malachi 2:15
Matthew 9:14-15
Revelation 21:2
Revelation 21:9
Revelation 22:17
Revelation 4:11
and many more verses.

We are the image of his temple, the Bride, the Church. Our spirit is that of Church/Bride and the spirit of the Church/Bride/children, its will, and purpose, is to take in the Spirit. We take in the Spirit/his will and become the image thereof.

Why did he proceed in creating the Bride/Church/children/coheirs instead of ending us all in the flood?

Because some will become/overcome/succeed. Because his word will not come back empty. Isaiah 55:11

Ah bible verse references.

Words written by man, translated by man, rewritten by man, & retranslated by man.

All the optimism in this thread is making me nauseous.

Ignorance is bliss, enlightenments a bitch

Long term conditioning won, we lost.

Double pizzypost

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: backcase

Wretches we are, yet we still live. If God knew from the beginning that man would favor his lower nature, of sin and brutality, why did He create mankind at all?

He knew the future. He had no other choice.

uh, what?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: iDope

From my perspective, I don't know. All I can see of His plan is what has played out. So asking me this question is a moot point because I don't know and can't know. None of us here can.

Only God knows because only He knows the plan, and He's not going to post on ATS to tell us.

one, i think this question is really far too good to just settle for "i dont know". if you dont know, then find out. thats worked pretty well for us so far.

two, why would an omnipotent god not pop on a conspiracy site and drop a few hints? or maybe he has a twitter account. a lot more useful than a book of poems and parables.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Uh, Really?

He knew that he would create man before he created them.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: TzarChasm

Uh, Really?

He knew that he would create man before he created them.

doesnt mean he couldnt have picked a different design. no one forced him to stick with a rough draft.

From my point of view:

Because this place is a perfect place to put spirits (both humans and animals) who need a timeout and learn how to behave with empathy striving towards symbiosis.

If you fall even lower there are worse places to evolve to and better places to ascend to.

a reply to: backcase

Wretches we are, yet we still live. If God knew from the beginning that man would favor his lower nature, of sin and brutality, why did He create mankind at all?

Accordingly, God created all the animals, and all animals dwell in a "lower nature" of brutality. I love all animals, even though some I will only observe from afar, because of their natural brutality. Why wouldn't God also love us when we dwell in our animal nature?

BTW, there is no such thing as sin. Sin is nothing more than God's awareness of its own imperfection.

And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone

a reply to: windword

the idea that there is no sin I find to be perfected in the teachings of Friedrich Nietzsche. These ideas and concepts were inspiration for some less than virtuous fellows in the socialist party.

I cannot help but think that sin is a real thing as justice is a real thing, if it is not, then life is a lie.

a reply to: backcase

If the God of the Bible is real, then HIS sin is real too. He missed the mark and created man imperfect. Then, he created "Sin" by creating a LAW, regardless of their Free Will, that forbid Adam, and his dislocated self, Eve, from "Knowing" that HE was an imperfect being, being both "Good and Evil".

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

There you have it. The biblical God is imperfect, and when Adam and Eve ate the fruit, they knew it too. They, God's imperfect image, had become "like God" and knew good and evil too.

a reply to: backcase

I cannot help but think that sin is a real thing as justice is a real thing, if it is not, then life is a lie.

What is most likely to be a lie? Life? or what you were told about it?

originally posted by: backcase
a reply to: windword

the idea that there is no sin I find to be perfected in the teachings of Friedrich Nietzsche. These ideas and concepts were inspiration for some less than virtuous fellows in the socialist party.

I cannot help but think that sin is a real thing as justice is a real thing, if it is not, then life is a lie.

sin is divergence. divergence breeds disparity. disparity threatens stability.

unfortunately, the line between stability and stagnation is a thin one.