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I have never posted in this section before, but I felt tonight that I should make a stance about something that has been bothering me and that is the so-called intelligence agencies in the United States. If the mods feel that this should be moved to the rant forum, please do so. But I would not want to call this a rant, but to point out what I see as madness.
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
You sure found the Native Americans who were protesting at Wounded Knee and you called them anti-American terrorists, when you couldn't stay off their reservations and honor the treaties with the US government, but you sure made yourself known on their reservations.
originally posted by: JiggyPotamus
Unfortunately, such organizations, the FBI, CIA, etc., are a necessary evil. With that said however, I completely agree that these agencies are out of control. The problem lies in the fact that they have too much power, and not enough oversight. And along with too much power inevitably comes the violation of a person's natural rights as a human being. This is even more horrible when the rights being violated are those of an American citizen, without any regard for the laws that everyone else is supposed to obey. I mean shouldn't any government agency be the first ones to follow the letter of the law, considering that they are the ones in charge? It is akin to a parent saying "do as I say and not as I do," which is utterly ridiculous and just plain doesn't work.
Then there is the violation of our rights on a massive scale, with agencies like the NSA and their spying endeavors. They can get away with this because, as I already mentioned, they have too much power with virtually no oversight. And oversight that consists of a person or group who will always side with the government does not constitute legitimate oversight. It is a sham put in place in an attempt to appease the people, meaning that the government can essentially deny claims that they have no oversight. Who is to question them? Rather, who can do anything about it? I do not advocate eliminating these agencies altogether, but they need to not only be held responsible for the crimes they've committed, but also need to be more heavily monitored. It is utterly absurd that they are the ones who can label something as being pertinent to national security, and then can hide behind the protection afforded to all things under the umbrella of national security. There are too many loopholes of this nature.
originally posted by: Michaelfunction
The people need to establish in each county the common law grand jury.
Power of the Grand Jury - In a stunning 6 to 3 decision Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority, confirmed that the American grand jury is neither part of the judicial, executive nor legislative branches of government, but instead belongs to the people. It is in effect a fourth branch of government "governed" and administered to directly by and on behalf of the American people, and its authority emanates from the Bill of Rights, see United States -v- Williams.
We the People can save America
originally posted by: WCmutant
a reply to: WarminIndy
Amazingly well written sir, S&F.
Now you just need to wait while they triangulate your location. I'm sure one or both of the agencies will have agents to interrogate... errr, interview you soon.
WarminIndy, I do have serious questions now:
1. What was your hope/desire in posting this to ATS?
2. What now?
@JiggyPotamus... there is no such thing as a "necessary evil." That's a manufactured term used to make ourselves feel better about how really s#!77y the situation and these agencies really are. You may as well say "just accept it because it's not going to change."
Change will come, whether we want it or not.
originally posted by: Asktheanimals
At some point the "good guys" went too far over to the dark side and couldn't get back.
Now our crime fighters are the ones actually profiting directly from it.
Every ethic we could once call American you have violated.
Torture and assassinations, especially ones using drones where scores of innocents are killed and wounded are absolutely unthinkable to a civilized person. Maybe that's how they get away with it, it's just too evil for most people to believe it's real. Like you I wish it were not so.
originally posted by: neo96
There is no one on these boards, or in the country that really knows what the CIA does.
Unless they happen to work there.
99% of the crap that surrounds the CIA is pure HYPE.
Same with the FBI.
Feel free to hate them, but hate them for the right reasons.
originally posted by: glend
a reply to: WarminIndy
years back I had my nervous system (wiring) erode all of a sudden which they half suspected was MS but it latter repaired itself. My heart goes out to you,