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originally posted by: EternalSolace
Why is it that when someone generally disagrees with something (we all know the primary topics), they're labeled as phobic or haters?
originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: Asynchrony
a reply to: Punisher75
I was personally chalking it up to sensationalism. But I see where the both of you are coming from. This sort of thing happens all the time. It happens quite frequently in these threads. A person makes an educated argument. The next person comes along, with a 'McDonaldized' response, and people agree with it because it's a simple rebuttle (easier to understand) with no real substance.
Not quite sure if I'm making sense to anyone but myself, but that's okay.
originally posted by: Punisher75
originally posted by: EternalSolace
Why is it that when someone generally disagrees with something (we all know the primary topics), they're labeled as phobic or haters?
Like I said in my earlier post, in my opinion its a tactic to basically call people cowards for not agreeing to something. The people who call others (insert root word here)-phobic knows that the suffix Phobia carries with it the connotation in the modern parlance to mean "scared of" and so its used to try to socially shame people.
Basically its just a rhetorical tool used by people who want to take short cuts in their argument and say "agree with me or you are a coward."
originally posted by: Punisher75
Like I said in my earlier post, in my opinion its a tactic to basically call people cowards for not agreeing to something. The people who call others (insert root word here)-phobic knows that the suffix Phobia carries with it the connotation in the modern parlance to mean "scared of" and so its used to try to socially shame people.
originally posted by: Punisher75
a reply to: Answer
I would agree with that assessment as well. Sadly people often are unwilling to accept that social issues are pretty complicated things almost by definition. You have to take into account social upbringing, philosophical ideas that people hold about everything from economics to religion to morality and identity.
In short its harder than math so folks don't really wanna think about all those things before they get to spout their opinion.
originally posted by: Asynchrony
I'd seen this tactic used a lot with someone I use to know because he had a conversation issue where if he wasn't saying 90% of everything in the conversation he would trick the conversation into a touchy topic to get you to react in a way that would allow for him to swoop in with the "what're you scared of" thing, thus shaming you into silence as everyone else eyed you accusingly. I'd known several people over time who would these sort of things. It's very annoying and it makes you feel like you're in a really long commercial with some sort of spokesperson.
originally posted by: Punisher75
originally posted by: Asynchrony
I'd seen this tactic used a lot with someone I use to know because he had a conversation issue where if he wasn't saying 90% of everything in the conversation he would trick the conversation into a touchy topic to get you to react in a way that would allow for him to swoop in with the "what're you scared of" thing, thus shaming you into silence as everyone else eyed you accusingly. I'd known several people over time who would these sort of things. It's very annoying and it makes you feel like you're in a really long commercial with some sort of spokesperson.
Oh without a doubt I have seen it and been subject to it myself. Its sad really because its one of the oldest tactics in the book. If I remember correctly the "technical phrase" for the end result of this phenomenon is called "The Spiral of Silence."
The idea is basically that people become so scared of rejection that they don't voice any opinion other than that of the majority. Its depressing for me anyway because this is exactly how tyranny takes root. A leader makes an idea popular by speaking loudest, via marches, television, books articles speeches and so on then sends people out to "brow beat" others into vocal submission.
Naturally the spoken opinion becomes the only option by default, that the following generation is exposed to, as a viable opinion. As such this new thought becomes the baseline norm for any "rational" person.
originally posted by: Punisher75
Think about it, most people in a one on one conversion can negotiate most anything between them, but once you start adding people it becomes less and less the norm, as now we have ego and "face" to contend with.
After all we want to be accepted by the majority as opposed to the strength of our convictions.
There is a saying "No one of us is as dumb as all of us."