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Believe it or not some formal training can actually help.
originally posted by: deadeyedick
I am not much learned in formal sciences but do see the need for clairity on this subjects.
4.43liters hho per min=1hp/min.
In my personal expierence i have made 12lpm at 1000watts/min
Your efforts are admirable, but your units of hp/min and watts/min show that you don't really understand the units, something which is essential to do what you're trying to do. Both hp and watts already include the time element, since a watt for example is one joule per second. so 1000 watts/min would be 1000 joules per second per minute, so why do you have two units of time in the denominator? This is where a little formal training might help as it would help prevent this kind of error.
originally posted by: deadeyedick
That is unless anyone cares to debunk the figures if possible.
That site does agree with some of your other numbers but I think it points to a possible source of problems with your 12 liters per minute number.
there is no precise way to measure the HHO realistically. There are just too many types of measuring devices being used, and each one of them provides different measurements. People are using oxygen meters, hydrogen meters, air meters, natural gas meters, welding gas meters, and even some hydroxy meters which are manufactured by reputable companies.
If you are using an Air meter to measure the HHO, then the amount of gas you are measuring is way more than what is actually being produced. So 1/2 LPM per Liter of engine displacement may be a good rule of thumb for you to use to.
If you are using an Oxygen meter to measure HHO, then the amount of gas you are measuring is still more than what is actually being produced. So 1/4 LPM per Liter of engine displacement may be a good rule of thumb.
originally posted by: deadeyedick
is that the best debunking ats has to offer
originally posted by: deadeyedick
like i said in the op the goal is to dumb down the math to a level that is common to more people
5hp 3500watt generator could produce 29.34 lpm and use 22.15 lpm hho to run 1 min.
Figures are based on pure water without koh
OVERUNITY
originally posted by: deadeyedick
bedlam
I expected better from you givin your post history.
Be specific in pointing out my failures so that everyone can see exactly what you are claiming is wrong.
The question i set out to answer is how much energy is required to produce 1l of browns gas atm from water.
answer 119.282 watts per liter hho at atmospheric pressure
How much energy is contained in 1l of browns gas atm
answer 9.54btu= 2 405.64838 calories=1liter hh0 at atmospheric pressure
check youtube there are many vids that show that my math is correct
originally posted by: deadeyedick
Even if the answer is that it takes one billion liters of browns gas that should not stop all of the so called experts from giving their answer.
originally posted by: deadeyedick
You made the claim that 12lpm of hho being produced in 1 min with a 1000watt input would be over 100% efficiency
Now show me how you determined that. Do you have some base level of efficiency that you used to do the math?
If I compare your numbers to this reference, I have to account for the fact that you are including the volume of oxygen, and for every unit of hydrogen gas, there are 0.5 units of oxygen gas. So, 12 liters of HHO gas would be composed of 8 liters of hydrogen gas and 4 liters of oxygen gas.
Efficiency of modern hydrogen generators is measured by power consumed per standard volume of hydrogen (MJ/m^3), assuming standard temperature and pressure of the H2. A 100%-efficient electrolyser would consume 11.7 MJ/m^3; the lower the actual power used, the higher efficiency.
Since your 60kJ is lower than 93.6 kJ (100% efficiency), then your process would need to be more than 100% efficient to produce 12 liters of HHO (about 156% efficient).
the lower the actual power used, the higher efficiency.
Notice I didn't need to know any of that for my calculations.
Was i using pure water? Was i using an agent to help aid in the process of seperating the bonds?
That's not even remotely close to what I said.
originally posted by: deadeyedick
you seem to be stating that 8lpm atm @1000w is near 100% efficient?