Flight MH17 - Searching for the Truth

a reply to: Zaphod58

If Poroshenko was wanting to do that, he would have also put it in the English version on the official website.

Russia has only said there was a Su-25 going towards MH17 with still some distance between them.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

They also claimed that the radar that detected the Su-25, climbing up to almost 17,000 feet was in Russia, and in standby when it detected the "plane". The radar return they claimed was an Su-25 showed up almost exactly when MH17 exploded, and amazingly was detected below the altitude that they said it had to be for the radar to pick it up, and was on radar for almost exactly the length of time it would take for debris to fall from that altitude to the ground.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

So an account which could have been hacked to cover up something and not much else as conclusive evidence, and we all of a sudden know it all...sure.

Here's the funny thing...only taped phone calls, and other so called evidence that make the US look bad are credible, but when it makes the separatists, or Russia look bad they are either hacked or made up...funny how that works.

a reply to: noeltrotsky

Even if separatists started training on BUK missile system on the first day the separatists started fighting they would not be proficient enough to operate the system.

That is if they are running the whole battery which they weren't, but just to point and shoot is all they need to learn with just the launcher as it has a way of being self sufficient in case the rest of the battery goes down for some reason.

If it was a BUK, as the evidence suggests, then it was Russian Military personnel who pulled the trigger. I don't believe Russia would allow it's soldiers to be commanded by Separatists, so the order to shoot must have been given by a Russian officer.

Not actually as it has been shown the launcher itself really isn't the technical part of the battery...it is basic so that it can go self sufficient if needed. SO in all actuality all one needs to do is learn how to turn it on and wait for it to pick up it's target then fire...no need for a Russian soldier to be present.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Russia has only said there was a Su-25 going towards MH17 with still some distance between them.

And yet you keep trying to come up with missiles that could supposedly be fired by the SU 25, so you obviously think it was one or you wouldn't try so hard to find a missile that you think could have been used by it.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

yeah... it was a Buk.

Dutch investigators are putting #MH17 back together. Piece by piece & it already shows: all impacts on front left side. Proving: it was #Buk


twitter.com...

Analysis of shadows surrounding "BUK Launch Photo"

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a reply to: Xcathdra

Coming from a guy who posts the Ukrainian anthem on his account.

Source

Elliot Higgings (Bellingcat) on Google workshop for Open-Source Investigations (1:20 min):

The Separatists apparently had a flying Su-25 a few days before the MH17 disaster...

Ukraine News July 7 - SU-25 Captured


Military Report July 13-14/Militia SU25 Debut

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Having a captured Su-25 still doesn't prove anything. Having one, and being able to use it effectively are vastly different things.

Not to mention it still doesn't make an AAM capable of doing this.

a reply to: Zaphod58

According to the second video they used it a week later.

So 3 days before they were able to recognize an airliner and on the 17th they weren`t...?

Unnoticed: United flight UA48 flew straight over crashsite Antonov on 14-7,barely an hour after the shootdown

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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Using and using effectively are very different.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Ukraine showed the world a fake photo shooting "Boeing" Russian "Buka"

And Russia has room to talk...



So another expert for Russian media says it's fake...Imagine that.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Because it was brought down by Russian Mig-29 ?

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Link

What exactly is that supposed to prove as there were planes in the same airspace while MH 17 was shot down?

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

What? What are you on about?

Anyone that is a trained pilot can fly a plane, and with minimal training, fight it. Just about any plane. But if you want to use it in combat effectively, and use it to its maximum effectiveness you have to be trained on that specific type, and go through combat training.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Sorry I mixed something up.

But the narrative has been there were at the side of the Separatists "defectors" who could use a complicated BUK, but when it`s about able to use a Su-25 there wasn`t a Separatist (or Russian) to do that?...reading the different reports from back then Russians were involved in the fighting, so if they captured a Su-25 there could also have been a Russian pilot been flying it.