Capitalism for the people

Oh yeah BTW, if left wing parties dont look after the working class, who put in Natioanl insurance? NHS? Social security?

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by Bout Time
The impedements have all been Republican:

Airline BailOuts = GOP
AgroBusiness Bailout & Subsidies to NOT GROW = GOP
Steel Industry Bail Out/Subsidies/Protective tariffs = GOP
Timber Industry Bail Out Protective Tariffs = GOP

You're making a case that does not exist - that the "Left" has handicapped American Capitalism. The Socialist-state-run-economic measures listed above have all been pushed by the Right.

The left is very good at some things----blackmail is one of them. America is not 100 % Republican, only about 50 %, that means the lefties have lots of power----which they use to force their misguided ideals on the Right (knowing that the Right will get the blame).

The Right has a bit more of a majority starting in January and will attempt to clean up the left-wing shenanigans you keep bring up----but it will not be easy---the left is going to be squealing to high heaven.

Ah, so when it's the right's fault its really the lefts fault.
Well I can't argue with your flawless logic their.[/sarcasm]


And you delusions that walmart some how doesn't compete against smaller stores and just competes against larger stores is just that.

It can buy stuff in bulk and get it far cheaper than local stores. Then it sells it for cheaper than the smaller local stores can sell it and drives them out of buisness.
This is a fact of life. Not some leftist propaganda or agenda.
What's so bad about it?
Well, once thier ocmpetition is gone then they have no reason to care about the consumers. Because the consumers have no choice but to go to walmart.
We got along just fine before walmart. We'll get along just fine when it's gone.

lmao! you must destroy the heart of walmart.....DON'T LOOK! DON'T LOOK AT ITS BARGAINS!

Originally posted by General Zapata
lmao! you must destroy the heart of walmart.....DON'T LOOK! DON'T LOOK AT ITS BARGAINS!

Lmfao! That was a good espisode... Think'll i'll go watch it again.
"I gotta buy this screwdriver set!"

haha! yeah, in australia they show episodes a month or so late, so I downloaded every episode as it became available. i must have watched that one like three times

Capitalism gives power to the consumer.


Socialism (the left) gives power to the bureaucrats.


Which is better for the people? Duh!

Originally posted by sleeper
Capitalism gives power to the consumer.

Wrong actually, who controls what is being selt and by how much?
The companies, now you can gripe and moan BUT when there is no other places to buy you have to accept thier demands.

Socialism (the left) gives power to the bureaucrats.

Really, and i thought bureaucrats where elected by the people.
Companies elect themselves, which is more safer?

A country ruled by the rich not careing for anyone (capatalism) or a country ruled by the normal man (socialism)?

Which is better for the people? Duh!

One where the country is run by the people not by the companies.

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by sleeper
Capitalism gives power to the consumer.

Wrong actually, who controls what is being selt and by how much?
The companies, now you can gripe and moan BUT when there is no other places to buy you have to accept thier demands.

Socialism (the left) gives power to the bureaucrats.

Really, and i thought bureaucrats where elected by the people.
Companies elect themselves, which is more safer?

A country ruled by the rich not careing for anyone (capatalism) or a country ruled by the normal man (socialism)?

Which is better for the people? Duh!

One where the country is run by the people not by the companies.

You seriously need to get out of your small village and see what is out in the big real world.

You would be astonished!

Originally posted by sleeper
You seriously need to get out of your small village and see what is out in the big real world.

You would be astonished!

I'm sorry sleeper, we forgot that you are so worldly.

Originally posted by General Zapata

Originally posted by sleeper
You seriously need to get out of your small village and see what is out in the big real world.

You would be astonished!

I'm sorry sleeper, we forgot that you are so worldly.

And your point is?

That is why I know the truth----I have seen with my own eyes the fallacy of the leftwing in the world-----they promise everything and deliver nothing.

Capitalism promises nothing but delivers everything for those inclined, or nothing at all----people are free to be or not to be----it's their choice and determination that makes Americans what they are.

Originally posted by sleeper
That is why I know the truth----I have seen with my own eyes the fallacy of the leftwing in the world-----they promise everything and deliver nothing.

WHAT have you seen with your own eyes? Oh, and by the way, 'fallacy' does not mean what you think it means. A 'fallacy' is something that is thought by some to be true but is actually false. The word you are looking for is 'failures'.

Back to the point: give us details sleeper. WHAT left-wing failures have you seen with your own eyes? You vaguely allude to things you know nothing about.

Capitalism promises nothing but delivers everything for those inclined, or nothing at all----people are free to be or not to be----it's their choice and determination that makes Americans what they are.

and here it is. This sentence begins by discussing capitalism's promises. However, you end by equating Americans with Capitalists. Perhaps it is your love of america and its people that has led you to take the misguided belief that it must be due to the dominant mode of production in this exhalted nation that makes it the way it is.

Originally posted by General Zapata
WHAT have you seen with your own eyes? Oh, and by the way, 'fallacy' does not mean what you think it means. A 'fallacy' is something that is thought by some to be true but is actually false. The word you are looking for is 'failures'.

Back to the point: give us details sleeper. WHAT left-wing failures have you seen with your own eyes? You vaguely allude to things you know nothing about.

Apparently, sleeper has lived under marxism in 'Leftie Europe', though, if you read the thread 'Marxism in a nutshell', you will realise that sleeper is very reluctant to tell you just where in europe

isnt amusing that the left should be soooo bad, and yet Italy, a country with alot of left leaning people, should one of the richest in europe?

and if leftwing ideals are soooo bad, how is it that in leftie europe, we are far more socially accepting than in the States?

i am not calling everyone in the US a racist, though no doubt i will be accused of as such. but in europe our media doesnt go around dropping racist hints. ever seen cops? how is it they hardly ever show white people being arrested? hell, you guys living in america are being fed truckloads of crap on a daily basis about 'all muslims are bad, israel wouldnt hurt a fly'. the same israel that almost openly engages in ethnic cleansing behind the guise of 'anti-terror ops'? the same israel that seriously considered dropping a nuke on Cairo?

unfortunately, a large percentage of people like sleeper have bought into this brainwashing. commies are evil, capitalism is saintly. muslims are all bomb-toting nut-jobs

and sleeper, once again, you refer to hitler as socialist. try reading a history book; you may be shocked to learn he was a Nationalist-socialist (aka Nazi)

I don't have to say much about the leftwing ideology you lefties are doing a great job on your own in your posts.

It is obvious who is brain washed-----Americans do have one thing most other counties lack and that is freedom of press------mostly leftwing but still free.

Americans take for granted all the things you people who have never set foot outside your country have no clue exist----prosperity and freedom---to do anything, go anywhere----work where you choose----live off the taxpayer if you choose, become a millionaire if you work at it.

Most Americans who read your post can only smile and feel sorry for those who are trapped in their leftist countries-----and believe that America is a bad place to live.

BTW if you break the law in America and get caught you go to jail----even if you are not white.

The rest of the world including Europe can only wish that they had such a just system as we have in America, that is one of the main reasons people came and still come, to escape tyranny in there leftist countries.

Originally posted by sleeper
I don't have to say much about the leftwing ideology you lefties are doing a great job on your own in your posts.

a pity though that you choose not to pay attention to what we say. you continue with a Cold War-esque attitude; anyone who doesn't agree with the ruling elite is an enemy. what happened to freedom of speech?

It is obvious who is brain washed-----Americans do have one thing most other counties lack and that is freedom of press------mostly leftwing but still free.

are you high? or are you just pretending to live in a bubble?

fox news: part of the rightwing Murdoch empire
CNN: media face of the pentagon
CBS: extremely selective on its reporting

to name but a few

Americans take for granted all the things you people who have never set foot outside your country have no clue exist----prosperity and freedom---to do anything, go anywhere----work where you choose----live off the taxpayer if you choose, become a millionaire if you work at it.

i can name another place where that is the case... Europe! this, i am sure is an earth-shattering revelation for you, but leftie europe is far more capitolist than you have been tricked into believing.

oh, and i suppose you have been EVERYWHERE, right? Where did you stay? in one of those resorts where you only meet westerners? great, a nice way to get to know the people of the world

Most Americans who read your post can only smile and feel sorry for those who are trapped in their leftist countries-----and believe that America is a bad place to live.

ya think? well they can have it. i'm perfectly happy in europe. i enjoy strict gun control, free speech without fear of recrimination, balanced media, freedom of religion, a rich mixture of cultures that are embraced, instead of being stuck in inner city ghettos, state health, etc

BTW if you break the law in America and get caught you go to jail----even if you are not white.

thats not my point and you know that. but just in case you dont,

1. your reply implies that i said nonwhites get preferetial treatment. read it properly

2. i dont dispute that the law arrests anyone who breaks the law, i said that the US media, which seems to glorify crime, is selective in who it shows getting arrested

The rest of the world including Europe can only wish that they had such a just system as we have in America, that is one of the main reasons people came and still come, to escape tyranny in there leftist countries.

Rrrright...

It's true leftist Hollywood and the media do portray an imbalanced view of the criminal in their movies----they show a lot of white-collar crime that is mostly movie fantasy----and not real----in a smear campaign against democracy and Capitalism.

And there are plenty of anti-Semites in America----mostly lefties----who wish we would not support Israel.

This is curious because Israel is a leftist country. And why does mostly leftist Europe hate leftist Israel?

Originally posted by sleeper
It's true leftist Hollywood and the media do portray an imbalanced view of the criminal in their movies----they show a lot of white-collar crime that is mostly movie fantasy----and not real----in a smear campaign against democracy and Capitalism.

Enron, Walmart employing children, worldcom. these weren't fantasy. they are examples of what would happen if capitalism was left to run riot. and how on earth can you say that Hollywood is running a smear campaign against democracy? please explain

And there are plenty of anti-Semites in America----mostly lefties----who wish we would not support Israel.

you'll probably find that a lot of these 'anti-semites' are actually peeved because of the USAs unwavering support for a country that openly breaks UN regulations, and then gets away with it

This is curious because Israel is a leftist country. And why does mostly leftist Europe hate leftist Israel?

Israel is not leftist. a lot of israelis are right wing and militant.

a lot of europeans have a beef with israel because of the reasons listed above; israel is a militant nation, that couldn't give a damn about anyone. not even america. it sends tanks and gunships in against civilians, and when the rest of the world gets angry, they call ALL palestinians terrorists

it should also be pointed out that Americas capitalist elite armed this country, all in a drive for profit

[edit on 8-1-2005 by Daystar]

I love sleeper threads.

Whoever wondered where sleeper was from in Europe, it was Italy. So he understands fascism very well.

That capitalist coke comment is my favourite so far. Keep them coming man. But you must ask yourself where your right-wing bretheren are in yet another thread of yours. I can't see any. You are wingin' it man, you seem to be in a class of your own.

You kill democracy by killing or restricting Capitalism.

And you best thank all those Capitalist who create a profit----companies that don�t create a profit go bankrupt, bankrupt companies put people out in the street----no work.

All money comes from companies that make profits.

All jobs come from companies that make profits.

All money for social programs (welfare) comes from companies that make profits.

All the money that the government has comes from taxing the companies that make a profit.

No profit----no money.

I know that is a very difficult concept for lefties to understand----what more can I say?

If there is another way to make money to feed and house the people of the world get off your butts and show us by doing it.

Until then Capitalism is all we got.

Originally posted by sleeper
You kill democracy by killing or restricting Capitalism.

No you protect democracy.

And you best thank all those Capitalist who create a profit----companies that don?t create a profit go bankrupt, bankrupt companies put people out in the street----no work.

Actually the country can stop that happening by makeing national buisnesses that way they help the state and the state helps them.

All money comes from companies that make profits.

All jobs come from companies that make profits.

I dont think the armed services come from companies.
I dont think the council/state services are not companies.

All money for social programs (welfare) comes from companies that make profits.

BS BS BS!
I raise the BS flag high and proud!
The social security services here are government funded and are supported by the gov, now why shouldnt the state help the citisens if they are loyal ones?

All the money that the government has comes from taxing the companies that make a profit.

No it comes from taxing citisens.

No profit----no money.

I know that is a very difficult concept for lefties to understand----what more can I say?

If there is another way to make money to feed and house the people of the world get off your butts and show us by doing it.

Until then Capitalism is all we got.

WE WOULD BE FINE IF WAR WASNT HAPPENING BECAUSE OF SOME RIGHT WINGED NUT JOB OR RIGHT WING DICTATOR ATTACKS EVERY ONE!

Originally posted by devilwasp
BS BS BS!
I raise the BS flag high and proud!

LMFAO!

yeah, raise that flag!