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Is every revolution that human beings have ever fought just "anarchy?"
This attitude is interesting to me. During the American Revolutionary War, only 3% of the population actively supported the revolution. The other 97% sympathized with British rule using the same exact arguments as every person in this thread arguing for the police.
originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: vonclod
Well I know for a fact what was done to Mr. Garner
would not have the same results on myself or you.
So no you're wrong and this is how close a grand jury
would get to an indictment. What you and I have just
done right here, which is not even close.
So only complete ignorance believes there is a grievence
in the matter. There isn't one at all.
all im saying is we never hear about the 10,000+ officers who actually do their jobs. there are hundreds of cops in any one state who we are never even aware of, from birth to death. because they did their job right.
i dont trust the american public anymore than i do the cops that protect or arrest them. i dont trust american media anymore than i do the cops who are vilified by them. i think that if we had the opportunity to get ourselves three steps ahead by putting someone else out of the game for good, we would.
so forgive me if revolution isnt the first solution to spring to my mind.
I understand that you don't need the police to protect you. When I am off duty I don't depend on them to protect me either.
As an officer I always tell people that they should own a firearm because most of the time we are minutes away.
That being said do you not feel that the police help to keep some sort of order in society?
If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so. -Thomas Jefferson
One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. -M.L.K Jr.
Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the state becomes lawless and corrupt -Ghandi
Do you think society would function the same way as it does now with no police? Do you think crime would increase, decrease, or stay the same?
Just wait until some jack-wad forgets to put their car in park, thereby rolling into yours and damaging a door. (True story, from just last week.) Your insurance company won't be too happy to settle that claim without a police-filed accident report.
But sure, go on foaming at the mouth and yelling your macho "We don't need no stinkin cops!" drivel if you wish..
And for the record, I am pro self-defense
yet not blinded by irrational hatred of authority.
They are an essential part of society. Unless you'd like to go clean up the blood and guts on the highway after wrecks?
originally posted by: LewsTherinThelamon
a reply to: NavyDoc
That's illogical. A law against someone stealing your car or breaking into your house is despotic?
Can you please quote me when I said that all US laws are despotic? Because I didn't, I didn't even imply such a thing. This is just a strawman.
Let me be more specific. If you are a Police Officer and you enforce the following:
Drug prohibition laws
Prostitution prohibition laws
business permits (if you arrest a business owner for selling products without a license)
motor vehicle licensing
Carry conceal permits (if you arrest someone for carrying a concealed weapon without a permit)
Anti-property-rights-based-codes (if I buy land and build a house on it that isn't "up to code" and the state sends an agent along with the sheriff to enforce said code)
Underage drinking laws/smoking laws (it should be left up to the parents, not the state)
Imminent Domain without just compensation
laws against Class III firearms/body armor
...then you are a bad cop (not human being, a person can be a good human being, but still a bad cop). Those are just the laws that spring-to-mind. There are many others. All cops enforce them, so all cops are despots (those are tyrannical laws).
All cops enforce the same despotic laws. That makes them all bad cops.
Civil forfeiture Racketeering for the state (all fines issued for frivolous reasons)
No-knock home invasions without warrant
Enforcing "free speech zones"
originally posted by: TorqueyThePig
a reply to: Dr1Akula
Not saying it doesn't happen but you stated "in most cases cops have witnessed bad ones... and are guilty of doing nothing about it."
Do you have sources or statistics to back your claim that of the cops that do witness other cops do bad things they do nothing?
If you believe that most cops witness other cops do bad things would that not mean that most cops are bad?
I've been a cop for a decade and never witnessed another cop commit a crime or violate a persons rights.
originally posted by: TorqueyThePig
Again not saying bad cops don't exist (because they do), but I think you may be exaggerating.
However, not a single one of those laws would exist without the approval of the voting public. If you want to look at the face of tyranny, look in the mirror, look across the street, look next door. Those are the people truly at fault and those are the despots you despise so much.
So I guess with what your saying is, people should be allowed to steal, intimidate, rape and murder because the cops and the laws are despotic?
Wanna know how to not get killed by a cop? First of all, don't be a law breaking dip**** then get an attitude and become aggressive because you got caught. Secondly, if you've done nothing wrong don't be an a** about it by resisting and making a big scene, just go to the magistrate. And lastly, just stop doing stupid stuff.