State Duma speaker Sergey Naryshkin has fantastical proposal

originally posted by: peck420

originally posted by: openminded2011
We should start by pulling all our military support for the UK. Then the next time there is a world war, you can ask the Russians to come over and spill their blood for you instead of us.

So, you mean do exactly what happened in the last two world wars?

Russia spilled a lot of blood, in the allies behalf, long before the US even decided to join the fight.

Yes, and they kept what territories they occupied while we rebuilt most of western Europe. You will have to forgive me, its personal to me. My uncle who was 19 and my father's closest brother,got blown into unrecognizable pieces fighting to liberate Europe and my father spent several days in the atlantic with other sailors, trying to keep a fellow sailor alive who had both his legs blown off when their destroyer escort, which was escorting fuel to ENGLAND, was torpedoed by a U-Boat. Needless to say he was never the same after the experience. Europe never had a better friend than America and America never helped a region with less gratitude. I personally would love to sit out the next war in Europe and leave the same kind of snotty arrogant individuals as that poster to their own devices when Russia overruns it. And they will.

a reply to: openminded2011

FYI - not that I am going to wade into this asinine debate about "who saved who's ass" - but while the Marshall plan from the US rebuilt much of Western Europe, the UK was left to fend for itself. We didn't receive a penny in aid and had to pay back everything we borrowed.

So, wind your neck in - we got no favours from the US ourselves, instead we got an invoice.

As for the OP, Paraphi is right - this "tension" would end if Russia stopped trying to tell it's neighbours what to do and backing armed rebellions in their border regions.

YES please DO join Russia. Oh but ,ah ,no more cash,defense responsabilities or treaty stipulations,WE will start with the GENEVA convention,considering HOW many non nationals we are fighting.



Maybe you'd best THINK about a couple of things FIRST,I'M not happy with us either but Russia? YEAH how could THAT go bad?

a reply to: stumason

From 1948 - 1951 the US, via the Marshall Plan, provided the UK with over 3 billion in aid out of a total of 13 billion allocated to the Marshall Plan.

The UK received 385 million USD of its Marshall plan aid in the form of loans.[77] Unconnected to the Marshall plan the UK also received direct loans from the US amounting to 4.6 billion USD.[77] The proportion of Marshall plan loans versus Marshall plan grants was roughly 15% to 85% for both the UK and France.[80]

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Lend-Lease Act

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: stumason

From 1948 - 1951 the US, via the Marshall Plan, provided the UK with over 3 billion in aid out of a total of 13 billion allocated to the Marshall Plan.

The UK received 385 million USD of its Marshall plan aid in the form of loans.[77] Unconnected to the Marshall plan the UK also received direct loans from the US amounting to 4.6 billion USD.[77] The proportion of Marshall plan loans versus Marshall plan grants was roughly 15% to 85% for both the UK and France.[80]

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Lend-Lease Act

An interesting quote on that wiki page, Xcathdra,

Joseph Stalin, during the Tehran Conference in 1943, acknowledged publicly the importance of American efforts during a dinner at the conference: "Without American production the United Nations [the Allies] could never have won the war."

American industrial capacity was humongous and the USSR certainly appreciated every drop of fuel and every armoured vehicle that the US provided.

Their cooperation was admirable to say the least.

a reply to: peck420

Russia spilled a lot of blood, in the allies behalf, long before the US even decided to join the fight.

No they joined with the Germans until the Germans turned on them, or they would have fell right in to the German lie.

originally posted by: WineWithIce5
AWESOME

but lets face it

US owns the European leaders by the balls. If US wants Europe to go straight to hell and be on front lines with Russia. Europe will oblige like the little puppets they are.

And if NATO is stupid enough to dump the US, Russia has a free ticket to do what ever the hell they like to the rest of Europe with a very weakened NATO force.

You people are total idiots..!!

a reply to: openminded2011

The UK ASKED the USA for help, no-one twisted the presidents arm, plus just how much money (gold) did the USA make out of both world wars? and the loans afterwards? $5 billion at 2% to the Brits in 1947?

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
No they joined with the Germans until the Germans turned on them, or they would have fell right in to the German lie.

And the US would have sat out the entire war if the they weren't turned on by the Japanese...

So, what exactly is your point.

Oh wait, you don't actually have one, you are just doing the same old joke of ATS...USA Good! Russia Bad!

originally posted by: pikestaff
a reply to: openminded2011

The UK ASKED the USA for help, no-one twisted the presidents arm, plus just how much money (gold) did the USA make out of both world wars? and the loans afterwards? $5 billion at 2% to the Brits in 1947?

That may be true, but here is a question for you. How much of that money do you think the COMMON PEOPLE of America, the soldiers, or their families got, who sent their sons over there to die, or be maimed, or come back mentally scarred for life? Answer: NOTHING. And then decades later to hear the kind of contempt and apathy you hear on here from some individuals in Europe towards the U.S., in light of our history of OUR PEOPLE'S suffering and sacrifice for Europe, that they benefitted from, is unacceptable. I really do wish the US would pull out of NATO and leave Europe to fend for themselves with regards to the Russians. A lot of you don't seem to realize we are the one of the only reasons they don't send tanks across the Rhine. If they chose to, they would make short work of Europe in a few days if the Americans weren't there backing you up. I am sure the idea of the U.S. pulling out is Putin's wet dream for that exact reason. No matter, I don't want to see another drop of American blood spilled for Europe ever again. You can send YOUR sons off to get blown to bits.

I see so much division, in a time when unity should be in effect, west versus east, north, south, eagles, dragons and bears alike...

originally posted by: MysterX
Well...he's right in one respect...the USA is on it's last legs.

It's going down the pan and will take Europe with it kicking and screaming.

Best cut the rope and align ourselves with the on the up, energy rich Russian Federation rather than the 'also ran', failing and increasingly corrupt and desperate USA.

ETA: 'Fantastical' has always been a word guys.

LOL...

I could stop there, but I think it's safe to say you'll look back and think, "wow, I didn't see the obvious signs of the US leading an economic boom AND becoming the world's leading producer of oil."

Do people really believe all this "the US is collapsing" nonsense? I hope so, because it's playing right into our hands. Chalk up another economic warfare victory for the US.

a reply to: dogstar23

They have to because they certainly don't believe the economic mess putin has created for Russia.

I read that guys statement 3 times and I'm still dumbfounded. He's saying that the path to a stable Europe is to remove most of the funding and manpower from the alliance that prevents Russian expansion into European territory. Why exactly would Europe want to do that?

a reply to: peck420

So, what exactly is your point.

The point is that RUssia would have kept on the same path with the Germans had the Germans not turned on them.

Oh wait, you don't actually have one, you are just doing the same old joke of ATS...USA Good! Russia Bad!

And yet you can't refute anything said so you go for the personal attack...beautiful keep them coming.

Well when the shoe fits...btw it isn't all of Russia that is bad only the government, if your going to make those types of statements at least get it right.