That Off-Malibu Ocean Structure Is Giving Off Radio Signals...

Hi everyone, I'm hoping some radio buffs will come out of the woodwork to take a listen to these; I was researching Robert Stanley who is going to be a guest on the Out Of The Box radio show tomorrow and ran across this; it's a short interview with an old timer radio expert who says he's been recording anomalous radio signals coming from directly offshore of his location in Malibu, right next to that 'submarine/UFO base/whatever' structure.

Here's three links:

1: Mr. Emmett with description and qualifications

2: Strange Signals in the 12 meter band

3. Source Page

The 12 meter band is a high frequency band (about 25 MHz) very popular with amateur radio operators (Hams). Funny thing about high frequency radio. It doesn't not propagate through water very well at all.

You know that knowing the direction of a radio signal does not tell you how far away its source is, don't you?

originally posted by: Phage
The 12 meter band is a high frequency band (about 25 MHz) very popular with amateur radio operators (Hams). Funny thing about high frequency radio. It doesn't not propagate through water very well at all.

You know that knowing the direction of a radio signal does not tell you how far away its source is, don't you?

No, I don't know anything about radio, Phage. I left that up to Mr. Emmett there, and any experts here. Just thought it was a fascinating finding. Did you listen to the recordings?

a reply to: signalfire

Sounds like Aphex Twin is taking over the airwaves

On topic, just because the sounds are coming from the direction of the so called underwater base, does not mean they are broadcast from there at all.

a reply to: SecretKnowledge

That was the conclusion of the radio operator; I'm not sure how he would know that except by the strength of the signal and the tight locality of the it.

originally posted by: signalfire

originally posted by: Phage
The 12 meter band is a high frequency band (about 25 MHz) very popular with amateur radio operators (Hams). Funny thing about high frequency radio. It doesn't not propagate through water very well at all.

You know that knowing the direction of a radio signal does not tell you how far away its source is, don't you?

No, I don't know anything about radio, Phage. I left that up to Mr. Emmett there, and any experts here. Just thought it was a fascinating finding. Did you listen to the recordings?

No, he didn't. His primary function here is to debunk out-of-hand the idea that we're not alone in the universe in whatever form members may post it. He's pretty famous for it actually.

On topic, I'd say since humans are thus far incapable of exploring much of what's under the ocean, it would be a fine location for any kind of extraterrestrial installation that wanted to remain undetected. They should know better than to use radio signals though.

a reply to: Urantia1111

For the moment, I'm willing to trust someone who has been involved with radio since the 1930s(!) if he says he can tell the signal is coming from right off the coast of Malibu where that formation is.

At the tail end of the signal recordings, he says it is 'out of this world' but it could obviously be military; lots of military installations off the coast of southern California.

What I'm hoping is that someone with the technical skill can take that recording and analyze it for hidden content or multiple layers of sound; but maybe I've watched 'Contact' once too many times.

A couple sources for research:

Well, if this is simply just ancient underwater structures then why did Google blurred these satellite images shortly after it's been discovered and reported? There's got to be more to this story.

A massive underwater entrance has been discovered off the Malibu, CA coast at Point Dume which appears to be the Holy Grail of UFO/USO researchers that have been looking for it over the last 40 years. The plateau structure is 1.35 miles x 2.45 miles wide, 6.66 miles from land and the entrance between the support pillars is 2745 feet wide and 630 feet tall. It also has what looks like a total nuclear bomb proof ceiling that is 500 feet thick. The discovery was made by Maxwell, Dale Romero and Jimmy Church, host of FADE to BLACK on the Dark Matter Radio Network on Monday, May 12th 2014 and announced on Facebook, Twitter and Church's radio program the following day. The underwater base has been a mystery for many years with hundreds of UFO/USO sightings...many with photographs...but the entrance of the base has remained elusive...until now.

The entrance can support nuclear sized submarines and massive UFO/USO activity and allow access to different military installations that are inside the US such as the China Lake Naval Base that is in the middle of the Mojave desert and the Naval Undersea Warfare Center in Hawthorne, NV between Las Vegas and Reno. In the photographs you can see its relation to the coastline, Los Angeles and its natural surroundings which to not match up with the structure itself...which is massive in scale. The support pillars to the entrance are over 600 feet tall. Malibu, California, is known the world over for its scenic beauty and as the playground of the rich and famous. Few people know that it is also the land of UFOs.

Read more here: worldufophotosandnews.org...

The structure sort of looks like a handmade ravioli of some sort. It looks like it has press marks around it. I think I should get a snack so I can see something other than food in a picture. The sound in the other link sounds like a tea kettle, maybe for hot chocolate.

originally posted by: signalfire
What I'm hoping is that someone with the technical skill can take that recording and analyze it for hidden content or multiple layers of sound; but maybe I've watched 'Contact' once too many times.

Ex sonar tech and sound engineer here...

What is it your looking for in the audio and what makes you believe it might be there?

I haven't looked into this at all yet so I have no background on this story.

I do have a couple of iZotope's apps that can analyze clips but my skills are pretty rusty.

a reply to: Murgatroid

Listen to the two recordings; they're short, only about 12 minutes in all and the first is the explanation by the radio op who found them. I'm wondering if anyone can identify them as military and if there is any cryptographic information in them; I doubt it but you never know.

originally posted by: signalfire

2: Strange Signals in the 12 meter band

Took a quick look at the MP3 in iZotope's RX spectrum analyzer...

The app is really not made for this type of forensic work so I couldn't tell for sure much about the source.

Some of the sounds reminded me of sounds heard from whales and dolphins during sonar watches at sea.

But like someone else said, radio waves do not propagate through water.

IMHO the only way to record subsurface sounds is by means of a transducer (underwater microphone).

Serious analysis would probably require some type of audio forensic analysis software.

a reply to: Murgatroid

Nothing, and i mean absolutely nothing that is mapped underwater on Google Earth/map can be trusted as being what it looks like.

It is so low resolution and undetailed or full of graphical glitches that anyone using it as a guide of detail is a fool or trying to fool "you".

The only thing it can be used for is a representation of what the elevation is like, but it's VERY far from being accurate in any way.

This topic was discussed once before on October 2nd, 2014:

Strange Signal on 12 Meters
There is some good technical analysis in that thread.

These signals were recorded in the early 1990s when the gentleman was still active in Ham Radio. There's no indication that the "transmissions" are present today.


Dex

a reply to: signalfire

Two of my biggest UFO experiences were in that area, on the beach, in Zuma Beach.

One was when a giant football field long UFO came out of the clouds down to about 300 feet above the water on a rainy night when my girlfriends friend and I were sitting on a lifeguard station there at 3:00 talking about my relationship with my GF. That was the most memorable.

Went over us and had little 'escort' lights up higher in the sky. My friend gouged her arm on a nail on the station from us running away. The UFO buzzed right over houses there, I'd say only 100 feet, with no sound, and it was transparent then opaque, going in and out of the visible spectrum. One of the scariest experiences ever. We thought we were gonna die.

I've seen other strange things around there. Specifically out on the water on late night drives. I used to hang out in Santa Monica-Malibu-Zuma a lot in my 20s ( Mid 1990s) Zuma isn't exactly Malibu but it's the same area.

But, there are also weird hidden military installations all around there, some things not even on maps. Could explain weird signals, but to me, not what I saw.

This is not a frequency for broadcasting through salt water. It is a band primarily used for data, video, and RTTY. Which is what it sounds like in the recording.

a reply to: signalfire

I have seen people try to explain this one away before, without a DSRV or manned submarine exploration (which would most likely not be allowed as it is too close to a military air base) we will never know, however as the radio host point's out it does not fit in to the natural structure of the topographry of the area and one thing every soldier is tought about camoulfage is never break the natural flow and line of the terrain, this does so but being underwater that was possibly not a concern.

It would be interesting to find if anyone is alive who remembers extensive prolonged ship activity in the area as to my eye's this thing looks very much like a hardened underwater bunker for submarines, of course it could have been built under water as well using a concrete pouring method (there are concrete's that set under water dating back to the time of the Roman's who used pumice to create such) and a pipline from shore.

If it is not then it could be a natural anomoly but a very unique one, the form is at odd's with the natural flow and the old flow lines that marr the coast all around it have not touched this elongated egg at all with it's unusual flat top and strange column like formation that does indeed appear to be support columns holding the roof near to a possible entrance.

My mind say's possible top secret cold war Submarine base and perhaps radioactive waste dump due to the thickness of the overlaying structure at 500 feet which is not only good for bomb protection but also for keeping radiation inside the structure, if very old then even if artificial images would be inconclusing unless there was some way inside the structure but if newer it may be camouflaged also making such imagery pointless but material samples may be enlightening if it was cored.

The shaped of the Dome is odd as well and Water Flow even at the end of the last ice age assuming this was high enough to be exposed would have eroded it completely differently.

I say cold war installation and it probably protected the US west coast, it would be interesting to see if there are any similar structures elsewhere along the US west coast.

This was massive in it's day, a world war two German Submarine pen in St Nazir france, it was heavily reinforced and never knocked out of action despite extensive allied bombing, it was above water so the next logical step for a military learning form the past would have been to build underwater and of course the bigger the better, the bigger the more bomb proof.
en.wikipedia.org...

Here is a russian one that is more or less just a copy of the german ones of WW2 en.wikipedia.org...

And of course there is another massive one near to sebastapol that is supposed to be underground inland and have at least one tunnel (probably several) to the sea, all of these russian ones would have been inferior to the US equivalent being more simple in form as were most Soviet project's.

It is worth noting most underwater cold war Radio systems used ELF transmission technology's.

a reply to: Phage

Who do I believe more, a denier of everything or a guy who has been into ham radio since 1938 and who has been an engineer? I'll go with the latter. I have listened to the links you see.

originally posted by: Hecate666
a reply to: Phage

Who do I believe more, a denier of everything or a guy who has been into ham radio since 1938 and who has been an engineer? I'll go with the latter. I have listened to the links you see.

I am a ham radio operator, I also know what equipment I've had and use including antenna systems and radios.
In his audio recording he states he has used a Icom 935. I know there is no such model or anything remotely close to that model in case he has dyslexia. He goes on to talk about his mobile operation with a big antenna on his vehicle. Alas his description is spartan to say the least. I mean there are ham sticks which are 4ft fiberglass antennas, there's what we call a screwdriver antenna 'bout 8ft tall with an electric screwdriver adjustable loading coil, and there are bug catchers with a coil you have to manually adjust the tap on the coil, which is open and catches alot of bugs

And if he was running mobile he could have triangulated on the signal, I figure some one who was a ham radio operator and a Loran radar operator would have known that. To bad he didn't use his camcorder to show the radio he was using as he was using it. Alas if he has been a ham for so long he surely would know about a direction finding loop antenna, used to triangulate the signal.

If he is or was a ham he surely is a LID.

73 OM
My first call sign was WN8ZOW

Radio waves can bounce off water. That certainly happens with wi-fi.