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That Off-Malibu Ocean Structure Is Giving Off Radio Signals...

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posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 01:37 AM
All he have to do is give us the precise freq. on the 12 m band and i'm sure hams living in the vicinity will try to catch
this signal

posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 04:50 AM
a reply to: Bedlam

I believe that's what happening. RFI was probably being generated by a PC.

I would wager that the Old Timer had a relatively up-to-date IBM/AT class PC in the ham shack. In the early 90's, that's probably something like a 386 SX or DX clocked at 25MHz. Throw in the DOS Real Time clock (RTC) running at 18.2 ticks per second, and that pretty much covers the base frequency plus harmonics. 3 x 18 = 54.

AC6V has some interesting info about PC RFI in the shack:

Before we actually begin tackling the problem, it might be helpful to know something about why computer generates RFI and how these get into the receiver. The two main components of the computer is the main CPU and the monitor (for simplicity sake). The computer runs at a certain clock rate as determined by an internal oscillator. Most of the time the rates are something like 4.77 MHz, 8 MHz, 12 MHz, 16 MHz, 20 MHz, 25 MHz, 33 MHz, 40 MHz, 50 MHz, 66 MHz and 80 MHz. This is not the only clock involved, there is also another oscillator on the video generator card and sometimes a few oscillators, plus those on other cards. As you can see, these clocks are all oscillating in the HF and L-VHF regions which may interfere with signals we would like to receive.

To make things worse, these clocks are usually sub-divided into a number of other frequencies within the computer. Since the computer is a digital system, the characteristic waveform of these signals are square-wave and square-waves tends to result in a lot of harmonics. The video card also generates RFI because the data-pixel-rate is often high enough to fall into the HF regions. All these reasons are why computers and monitors are tops when it comes to generating RFI. This is often made worse by computers with cheap plastic casings which do not provide adequate shielding. Many people are of the opinion that monitors are one of the primary sources of RFI and this may very well be the case. I have also noticed that the PC keyboard generates a considerable amount of RFI despite its benign looks. This is because it contains a microprocessor on board which runs off a clock in the 3 MHz range.

This problem is compounded by the way the keyboard PCB runs which makes pretty good radiators and so one is likely to hear strong 2nd and 3rd harmonics. The monitor probably has an on-board crystal at about 14.316 MHz so you will find a strong carrier there too. The first thing we want to do is to determine how much RFI is being generated by the CPU and the monitor. It may be that the CPU is not radiating at all but the monitor is the culprit, or vice versa.

Emmett would experience this interference in the shack, but nowhere else outside of the immediate vicinity of the shack.

I knew those oscillations sounded familiar. I seem to recall having experienced something like this years ago.


posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 06:06 AM
a reply to: Phage
If I were an Alien or foreign government trying to hide a signal, I might choose a band that does not propagate through water very well to trick all the smart people who might ignore or not search for it

posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 06:41 AM

originally posted by: Murgatroid
A couple sources for research:

Well, if this is simply just ancient underwater structures then why did Google blurred these satellite images shortly after it's been discovered and reported? There's got to be more to this story.

A massive underwater entrance has been discovered off the Malibu, CA coast at Point Dume which appears to be the Holy Grail of UFO/USO researchers that have been looking for it over the last 40 years. The plateau structure is 1.35 miles x 2.45 miles wide, 6.66 miles from land and the entrance between the support pillars is 2745 feet wide and 630 feet tall. It also has what looks like a total nuclear bomb proof ceiling that is 500 feet thick. The discovery was made by Maxwell, Dale Romero and Jimmy Church, host of FADE to BLACK on the Dark Matter Radio Network on Monday, May 12th 2014 and announced on Facebook, Twitter and Church's radio program the following day. The underwater base has been a mystery for many years with hundreds of UFO/USO sightings...many with photographs...but the entrance of the base has remained elusive...until now.

The entrance can support nuclear sized submarines and massive UFO/USO activity and allow access to different military installations that are inside the US such as the China Lake Naval Base that is in the middle of the Mojave desert and the Naval Undersea Warfare Center in Hawthorne, NV between Las Vegas and Reno. In the photographs you can see its relation to the coastline, Los Angeles and its natural surroundings which to not match up with the structure itself...which is massive in scale. The support pillars to the entrance are over 600 feet tall. Malibu, California, is known the world over for its scenic beauty and as the playground of the rich and famous. Few people know that it is also the land of UFOs.

Read more here:

Lol, I love when the "evidence" being presented shows absolutely nothing that the person presenting it claims.

Hilarious :-)

posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 10:00 AM
a reply to: signalfire

Why would you need a submersible? 500 ft is scuba range and still has surface light typically, especially in the pacific. I am certified to 130 ft, but I know others who are certified for the same and claim regular 400 ft dives. I've been down to 280 ft but I've had Trimix, deep air and decompression courses. If a diver isn't prone to HPNS they could probably handle 500 ft and I know a guy who claims he has been at or near 500 feet a few times.

Heck, you could probably rent a newtsuit for a day...I think they run about 5g's a day including transport. (Doesn't require training and probably cheaper than buying/renting scuba gear and getting certified...) They can go to 1k feet. No decompression required.

I think if something was down there they very well could have found out by now. It's best for them not to though so they don't ruin their income.

posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 10:17 AM
Okay, I got a response from Robert Stanley; the location is (not giving away Emmett's actual house); just to the west of the Encinal Canyon area of Malibu heading up towards El Matador Beach, if anyone has the required equipment and wants to check it out. That would put it just slightly south of the off shore whatever-it-is.,-118.8713659,2582m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x80e81da9f908d63f:0x93b72d71b2ea8c5a

Robert said, "I am certain that the signals are encoded, broad-spectrum military communications.
However, there is a lot more to this story I have not posted yet."

So there's more to the story but for whatever reason he's not ready to post that. Emmett is in his 90s and I got his email address and will also try contacting him. (I sure wish I'd bought land in Malibu back in the 40s or 50s.... )

posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 10:39 AM
Knee-jerk here;

Isn't the Earth in constant rotation; anything too far...a dead clock is right at least twice a day...

does the signal lose strength over time?

Where's my dam coffee cup?

posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 10:54 AM
I've fished in that area a few times. Never saw any UFO's. Did get some good rock fish. A lot of fishermen do report weird goings on that they write off as UFO's to their friends, but are more than likely military. There is plenty of military stuff going on in the channel islands. Both to watch for the bad guys. Gives a nice buffer against snooping on the southern California coast line to set up watch stations on the windward side of the islands. I'm sure catalina has a little bit of this on it's west side. We all know san clemente is used often. There is plenty going on navy wise in them waters. But a secret ufo base. probably not.

One time while visiting Avalon harbor on catalina a 688 class attack sub surfaced a 1/4 mile behind out ferry in it's prop wake and cruising to just outside the harbor and anchored for the night so their crew could get shore leave at the Avalon bars. That was pretty cool. We sailed right over it and didn't even know.

posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 12:22 PM
a reply to: DexterRiley
The pathetic thing is, even though this is a sound theory & very well could explain everything from the signal right down to the localization, very few will even bother to acknowledge this because it's too sensible, and not enough "ALIENS!!"

I encourage everyone to back up & read Dexter's post, seriously.

posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 12:48 PM

originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: DexterRiley
I encourage everyone to back up & read Dexter's post, seriously.

Mm. I wonder.

This 90+ year old radio buff worked with this type of equipment since just after Tesla invented it .. I mean, wouldn't he be aware of RFI?

posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 01:58 PM
a reply to: signalfire
Even knowing where he was when he picked the signal up, on the hf bands the signal could be coming from anywhere in the world. People use the hf frequencies for this reason, low power and huge distances.
Knowing the time of day would help. 25mhz is mainly a daytime band, at night the signal would have to be closer than the day to hear it.
When I get time I will run the audio from the video through a data decoder and see if any of it can be decoded, even military stuff can be decoded if you know how

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posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 03:43 PM
a reply to: urbanghost

In the primary OP info, he said it was high power (or very strong) and steady day and night which he found odd. The fact that it went away when he traveled 100 feet down the beach is very odd.

posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 03:56 PM
Hey guys if you happen to stumble upon a couple thousand small cars at the bottom of the ocean near Catalina please post coordinates. Supposedly in the 1970's Subaru dumped a bunch of micro-cars they couldn't sell and turned them into fish condos. Nobody has ever attempted to find them, but they're probably down there.

posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 04:13 PM

originally posted by: eriktheawful
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I've worked with RF equipment (like radars) for over 26 years.

Detecting a radio signal will not always give you it's position, especially if you are only detecting it while sitting in one place.

RF energy, especially high frequencies, propagate through the air, but will be affected by many things: air density, clouds, ionization. This is why short wave and HAM operators sitting the midwest of the US can pick up radio signals from Moscow.

In order to find the source of a signal, one needs to triangulate it. This means detecting the signal from several different places, noting it's strength and bearing (direction it seems to be coming from).

Simply seeing that a signal is coming from the west of you does not also show you how far away it is with any accuracy based on strength of the signal.

RF energy also does not propagate through water very well. It's why submarines must surface, or at least get close enough to the surface to deploy an antenna if they wish to communicate with radio. RF energy tends to reflect off of the surface of the water (in the radar world we call that "clutter" and on ships we see that with the raw return of the radar beam, especially with surface radars).

In order to believe what is being stated, I would need to see the signal detection data, and it most certainly would need to be data from several different receivers detecting the same signal at about the same time or within a reasonable amount of time, from several different locations. That data (if it's there) would then be used to do the triangulation of the signal.

Anyone saying: "because of it's strength and direction is how I know where it is", is selling you a line. Anyone that has worked in this field knows that you can't do it that way.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

really ... really ..

appreciate your input.. !!!

posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 04:32 PM
a reply to: Nyiah

Actually I expended quite a bit of thought trying to figure out how this could have been alien technology, or at least some type of high-tech military engineering. But, despite my best efforts, the most logical conclusion was computer generated RFI.

Like many of the citizens of this ATS society, I believe that there are a number of major conspiracies taking place in our world. I accept there is a high probability of extra-terrestrial life. Unfortunately, people of our ilk also need to be our own worst critics.

I look forward to the day when I can propose a cogent theory explaining one of these events as an actual extra-terrestrial encounter and have the Phage post one of his inimitable terse replies: "That's plausible."

But, unfortunately, that is not today...


posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 04:37 PM

originally posted by: Xeven
a reply to: Phage
If I were an Alien or foreign government trying to hide a signal, I might choose a band that does not propagate through water very well to trick all the smart people who might ignore or not search for it

Pretty much like a number station that is still in use today.

Numbers station

Old tech even today is still the best tech.

posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 05:00 PM
Just downloaded the audio and I will run it through my decoder. From what I have heard so far there is rtty, ss TV and fax signals. You can hear the idling of the fax signal and it's quite distinctive.
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posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 05:03 PM
a reply to: ForteanOrg

I have the greatest respect for my elders, almost to the point of reverence. And even more so for someone who has reached the age of 93.

Several decades ago, I had an Elmer who could sit in front of a radio and listen to morse code at 40 words per minute. He never wrote anything down. He "spoke" morse code like many of us speak our native language. He built his first automatic keyer from a sheet of aluminum, a triode vacuum tube, a relay, and a hand-full of resistors and capacitors. I have known a few old-school hams who could probably build a spark-gap transmitter and crystal radio on a remote desert island...out of rocks and coconuts. And, I suspect Emmett may be in this class of people. I don't doubt his experience or knowledge.

Having said that, PCs in the ham shack was still a relatively new concept in the early 1990's. It may never have occurred to him that the personal computer, in all of its "magical" complexity, could generate that kind of seemingly coherent interference. No doubt he discussed it with other hams who also weren't familiar with this type of RFI, otherwise it wouldn't have been such a memorable experience for him. In other words, he wasn't alone in his misdiagnosis.


posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 05:43 PM
I just run the audio through a program called code300/32. This software can decode nearly every data mode currently and previously used on hf, military and commercial.
The sound up to 30secs is just RTTY being tuned in and out of the spot frequency. Then it changes to fax idling until 1:20, which then changes into the fax signal itself until about 2:36. It then changes to FSK until 3:06.
Then it is back to fax which lasts until the talking starts at 4:15, which mentions 10m band which is 28-29.7mhz not 25mhz. Fax idling then comes back, again being tuned around the centre frequency which is why the tone is changing. When the talking starts again at about 5:25 the sounds are just incorrectly tuned sideband voice transmissions.
Around 25mhz apart from the amateur allocation the rest of the frequencies are for marine data transmissions. Looking at the google maps link that was posted there is a naval base on that coast in Ventura county. I would bet the signals are coming from there.
Regarding the disappearing signal when he goes 100meters away that's all down to how hf signals travel. I have a friend who lives in the next valley to me and we talk on the hf bands a lot. Only problem is because there is a mountain between us I can't just point my antenna toward him and talk. I have to point it in the opposite direction and the signal goes around the world and reaches him from the opposite direction. We only live about 3 miles apart. Yet when I go mobile I only have to go a few hundred meters from my house and because the mountain is in a different position I can transmit directly at him and he can hear me easily.

posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 05:54 PM
a reply to: signalfire

What underwater structure of Malibu? Malibu, California? Sorry that I'm not offering any answers....but I'm clueless! I surf there all the time...what's this about? I've read a couple of articles about this place since reading your post, but I don't understand what was found. I'm not disputing it....I'm in a little shock. Very shocked actually.

We always see the Dolphins in the morning in the area....hell, everyone sees the Dolphins. We just always assumed they had somewhere to report to
It was a joke of course, as it always seemed like the Dolphins were on their way somewhere important. Kind of like "there they go again....same time everyday." We just all figured the Dolphins were hunting or just frolicking around with us as they seem rather playful mostly. Sometimes we joked about the Navy using them. Maybe it's an underwater marine training base...I really don't know. Just a thought of mine and many local surfers

I have never heard of this before. If you could see the Dolphins in the wee early mornings, they definitely look like they have somewhere to go. We see them for awhile....they go underwater and just seem to after day. You can watch for them for miles....they never resurface...just disappear underwater. But, they are very friendly and protective.

Thanks for the info and I hope you will find answers
Now, I will start poking around for more info.

I certainly don't know anything about this but Phage, is rather irritating IMHO many times and hardly ever offers any solid answers. Sorry, just had to get that out there. I despise what I "personally perceive" as disinformation. Phage seems to be a pro at...well.....nothing

Keep searching friend!

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