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originally posted by: Gryphon66
mOjOm, I know that I thanked you earlier in the thread for making this attempt. I do love the creativeness of your title as well.
However, I'm going to have to absent myself from the thread as I do not think I can stand another display of ATS' "Christian" charity without being unkind. Best.
originally posted by: Ollie769
The sacrament of Marriage is meant to “progress” peoples’ lives to a higher point at the end of that life. Romance and its corresponding emotions certainly lead into marriage and make it enjoyable but in the end a much deeper meaning is learned that the shallowness of emotions cannot hope to approach. The reason marriage is SUPPOSED to be between a man and a woman is because homosexuality only presents one side of life, one viewpoint, one half of the picture to the participants in a day-by-day intimate relationship that mere friendship with the opposite sex can’t present. God is both male and female which makes forsaking one or the other in something that resembles a marriage an abomination in His sight. It’s another Golden Calf.
While the “Gay Gospel” or whatever they’re calling their version of the “old” Bible harps on love, love, love like a hippie in a 60s commune such revisions completely pass over the meat of what Christianity actually is.... Since the Old Testament days homosexuality has been deemed a “sin” which, in other words, means a path, and act, other than what God directed us to follow and for good reason. Unfortunately the scriptures are not good on pointing those reasons out but I’d bet they were laid out quite well in the Oral Traditions known to Kabbalists. One does not make it through boot camp lounging under a tree but sweating it out on the grinder with their fellow soldiers and paying attention in the classes provided. The slovenly, putrid mess that Christianity is today is why the vast majority of so-called “Christians” have no forceful, unified voice to stand up against something that should be rejected on its face such as homosexuality and an enlightened, intelligent response and appropriate support offered as to how one is to progress in Life in its stead.
The money offered by the evangelical homosexual is not his own but something more akin to the pieces of silver offered to Judas from the collection plates in the Jewish synagogues. If there is any statement of truth offered in the article at The Blaze it’s the one Mrs. Kline wrote in her Facebook page: “Our culture has accepted 2 huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them,” she wrote. “Second is that to love someone means that you must agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense.”
originally posted by: mOjOm
Wow. A Evangelical Christian who actually "Love's His Enemy" and shows Grace and Acceptance toward those who oppose him.
“As a gay man, I should hate Melissa and Aaron Klein,”
originally posted by: mOjOm
Well, it looks like these two sides may find some common ground after all. Could this be the first step toward peace between the so called Gay Agenda/Gay Mafia and the Christian Evangelical Fundimentalists??? I for one certainly hope so!!!
Christian Bakers Who Lost Their Shop After Refusing to Make a Wedding Cake for a Lesbian Couple Are in for a Major Surprise
Aaron and Melissa Klein, the Christian bakers who gained national attention after they refused to make a wedding cake for a lesbian couple, are in for a big surprise: a gay man who fervently disagrees with their stance on homosexuality is planning to willingly give them a large sum of money.
But Matt Stolhandske, a board member of Evangelicals for Marriage Equality, a coalition of Christians who support same-sex marriage, recently launched an online campaign to raise money for the Klein family, despite his opposition to their views.
“As a gay man, I should hate Melissa and Aaron Klein,” Stolhandske wrote in a recent Washington Post op-ed. “I’m also an evangelical Christian. I can’t understand why Klein or any other Christians twist the words of Jesus Christ to justify this behavior. To me, it’s a deeply harmful and embarrassing bastardization of our faith.”
But he went on to write that, as a Christian, he believes that he’s called to love even those with whom he disagrees, so he’s raising the funds so that the Kleins and their five children won’t suffer under the weight of the potentially massive fine.
Wow. A Evangelical Christian who actually "Love's His Enemy" and shows Grace and Acceptance toward those who oppose him. Finally a member of Religion that is worthy of Respect and who leads by example. Then to top it all off, he's Gay as well. I for one think this guy is a shining example of who we as people of different paths can aspire to. Congrats to this man, may he live a long happy life and blaze a clear path for others to follow. Perhaps there is hope for us yet.
What do you people think??
2) If I have gay children, I’ll pray for them.
I won’t pray for them to be made “normal”. I’ve lived long enough to know that if my children are gay, that is their normal.
I won’t pray that God will heal or change or fix them. I will pray for God to protect them; from the ignorance and hatred and violence that the world will throw at them, simply because of who they are. I’ll pray the He shields them from those who will despise them and wish them harm; who will curse them to Hell and put them through Hell, without ever knowing them at all. I’ll pray that they enjoy life; that they laugh, and dream, and feel, and forgive, and that they love God and humanity.
Above all, I’ll pray to God that my children won’t allow the unGodly treatment they might receive from some of His misguided children, to keep them from pursuing Him.
Many of you may be offended by all of this, I fully realize. I know this may be especially true if you are a religious person; one who finds the whole topic disgusting.
As you’ve been reading, you may have been rolling your eyes, or clicking the roof of your mouth, or drafting familiar Scriptures to send me, or praying for me to repent, or preparing to Unfriend me, or writing me off as a sinful, evil, Hell-bound heretic… but with as much gentleness and understanding as I can muster; I really couldn’t care less.
This isn’t about you. This is a whole lot bigger than you.
originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: SomePeople
I don't normally quote the Bible on this site, but the topic certainly calls for it this time around.
1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them:
otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee,
as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have
glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret
himself shall reward thee openly.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Yesua bin Miriam was so tired. He sighed heavily as he sat down under the tree just outside of Capernum and closed his eyes in meditation. He had walked up the hill a short distance outside the city to recover and to seek, not rest exactly, just … that state he sometimes referred to as “a connected silence” in his own lessons for just a few moments before entering the streets and speaking to the crowds again.
He had been ministering to the People all day out in the countryside. Teaching, talking, moving among them, they needed so much and had so little, and sometimes dispensing only a warm smile or a kind touch made all the difference to them. They had started calling him a miracle worker; he put his hands over his eyes smiling, laughing silently at the irony of the idea.
“Didaskalos?” a deep, strong voice broke into his consciousness.
He looked up to see a Centurion standing the perfect respectful distance away, head bowed. Even though his strict training had taught him to look away automatically from the goyim to avoid being corrupted, his eyes lingered for just a moment on the thickly-built soldier standing down the hill. It was so uncommon to see Romans alone, and even more rare to see any expression on their faces held high besides arrogance.
This man though, seemed different in some subtle way. He was probably in his late 30s, and stood there obviously trying to contain some sense of urgency he felt with all the discipline his military training offered him.
The soldier cleared his throat and said, “Pardon the intrusion, Great Teacher, I know you aren’t supposed to speak to me directly, but you’re surely the only hope I have left. My … pais …”
The big man’s voice cracked. Yesua’s mind resisted translating the last word … was the Centurion talking about his son, or his servant or … his lover. Yesua shuddered involuntarily at the latter thought.
The Roman raised his head a fraction and continued in a strong voice that had obviously issued orders to many: “I do not ask you to come to my house, because I know that would cause you to become unclean. I am a man of considerable authority, and when I command that someone do something, they do it. The People say you have the ability to heal, and if that’s true, I know that all you have to do is say a word and it will happen.”
Yesua looked back at the man to find his eyes had risen up to meet his own in a steady, though glinting, gaze.
“Please Teacher, please help my agapamene …”
As his voice cracked, the man’s eyes sunk back to the ground as if he had done all he could do.
Yesua stood, walked a few steps toward the Centurion smiled and said simply: “Go. Let your dear one be made whole. Your own faithfulness is the best thing for him.”
The soldier raised his head back into its natural, slightly elevated position and his face returned to the proud mask that all Romans perpetually wore. As Yesua allowed himself to meet the man’s gaze, warm amber eyes met steely gray ones: “Be it so.”
The Centurion’s fist came up across his chest and out in the standard military salute.
Yesua felt renewed in his mind and soul as the Roman walked away, smiled and turned toward the crowds once more.
originally posted by: Bone75
Right out of the gate, he is setting up a strawman. Why SHOULD he hate the Kleins? Explain that one to me first, and then I'll continue.