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originally posted by: subtopia
Religion is not based on reason as to put your faith in an entity that you are told cannot be known until after you die is unreasonable
You sound like you might be a Sam Harris fan, is that a fair guess???
You're right that their opinions aren't complete opposites. Certainly when it comes to Politics. But as for Religion, they are quite far off from one another.
That's one of his traits that I identify with myself and probably why I like his opinion most of the time.
Using the term agnostic is actually the more correct one to use though. I tend to use that rather than atheist myself usually since the term atheist has become almost as rigid and absolutist as the Fudi-Relgious folk at this point.
originally posted by: Pinke
It can seem that way, but when Aslan talks about the philosophers who inspire him....
That's also where I have some problems, when Aslan claims Harris doesn't understand that religion ...
Reading people you don't agree with is awesome.
I rather not alter the descriptions of myself because....
Disclaimer: wrote this up quickly and don't think I expressed myself very well, but we will see.
originally posted by: mOjOm
I may not be picking up exactly what you're putting down here. Are you saying that "Truth" isn't subject to change based upon perspective and language??? In other words do you define Truth as being always an absolute???
From what I can tell it seems that Aslan is saying not to take it literally at all. That the more literal you try and make it the more problems you'll have in actually understanding what it's trying to say.
Not sure I get where you stand on morality either.
(morality) Left without any cultural influences who knows how far they might change.
I don't read anything by Cenk. He's just a news anchor not a writer or philosopher or anything.
Personally, I try to avoid all labels when possible. They all fall short of being accurate.
Seems ok so far. As long as we don't end up verbally assaulting each other I'd say we're doing better than most!!
originally posted by: tavi45
He also refused to participate so don't blame Cenk and Aslan for him not being there. He's probably afraid to speak his mind with quality opposition around.
originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: Pinke
I'm glad he decided to man up. Cenk and Aslan had a very very high quality discussion already. Have you watched that?
I just find that when militant atheists engage in sweeping generalizations about a group like Muslims it's identical to what religious fundamentalists do.
I'm agnostic because I'm not arrogant enough to think i know everything there is to know even though i have huge qualms about religion.
All closed minded fundamentalism is dangerous with out without a God figure involved.
In his mind America causing the deaths, poverty, and disease of tons of innocents is allowed because we are trying to stop terrorists from causing the deaths of innocents.
Both Maher and Harris undeniably threw all Muslims under the bus in a massive massive overgeneralization.
The only real benefit to this pathetic debacle is that I have a massive newfound respect for Ben Affleck.