Right wing movement in UK Britain first, any opinions out there.

As the title asks?

I have been watching the popularity of this movement which is apparently founded by ex Bnp members.

They are gaining followers on face book but are using very clever tactics to lure people into following them.

Has anyone had any experience or are there any supporters on ATS?

I had a very interesting chat with a follower last night and would be interested in any other opinions both por and con?

a reply to: nonspecific

Do you mean UKIP?

a reply to: nonspecific
Interesting thread, never heard of it myself but I'm not on fakebook and don't have any friends who have ever supported the BNP so my exposure to such sentiments and organisation is quite limited.
I imagine it will be a fringe-festival-fail as the EDF and similar, but it will be good to learn more in this topic, so cheers for posting.

No there not a political party, they are a facebook page but are gaining some pretty big numbers support wise.

a reply to: flammadraco

They have very interesting tactics, Although a lot there media is extreme right wing they also share a lot of photo's sayint things like.

"Click like if you enjoy a good sunday roast with the family. "

This way a lot of people end up promoting them and there views inadvertantly.


a reply to: grainofsand

a reply to: nonspecific
...and the tragedy is that such tactics work well in the often trancelike 'sharing' and 'liking' that goes on because 'a friend' posted X or Y picture/message/video. Any serious political/ideological group would be fools to ignore the opportunities in social media, yes, it is a tragedy.

Sorry according to other sources they are a political party but I do not belive they put candidates forward at present. They seem to support UKIP though so are more than likley an hardcore splintergroup.

a reply to: nonspecific

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: nonspecific
...and the tragedy is that such tactics work well in the often trancelike 'sharing' and 'liking' that goes on because 'a friend' posted X or Y picture/message/video. Any serious political/ideological group would be fools to ignore the opportunities in social media, yes, it is a tragedy.

Agreed although I find there beliefs to be outragous you can not argue the methods they use are working and will continue to do so.

It is not really any differet to the main stream media.

a reply to: nonspecific

I saw a couple of their "vids" a year or so ago, I think relating to Anjem Choudhray.

Barrel scraping idiot hunters if you ask me, obvious far right hate group hiding behind suits, specious arguments, misinformation and over use of the term "Britain".

Standard operating procedure for brown shirt aspirants.

Yes I agre but support is growing, the explosion of social media gives far greater publicity to minority groups without the need for financial backing

a reply to: skalla

a reply to: nonspecific

I dropped FB about three years ago so have not seen recent "share" thingies mentioned, but the "like if you love a Sunday Roast" is an insidious, nasty way of wheedling their way into the public consciousness.

a reply to: nonspecific

My attitude is that any party which contains former members of the BNP, carries within its name a nationalistic moto, and is described as right wing, is probably worth removing from the face of the Earth.

The reason I say this, is that fascism, no matter how or why it is constructed, is never the answer to any question worth answering. No person who calls themselves British, should be able to forget the fact that more than 300,000 British servicemen fought and died to prevent such a system from ever reaching, or taking root on, these shores.

In my opinion it is the height of insult to the memories of those who gave their lives in the Second World War, and also a failure to understand the origins of the people of Britain, which leads to this sort of simplistic, jingoistic thinking, and supporting parties like this, is therefore, supporting vast ignorance, not to mention the most dangerous manner of philosophy.

so I'm not the only one who noticed this then.

I have a few people who arn't too bright on my fb friends list posting this stuff. I've already got in one argument with them over this.

a reply to: nonspecific

Generally, I have noticed a huge swing to the right in Britain with the rise of UKIP demonstrating this most obviously.

Social behaviour among the "white" Anglo Saxon Brits seems to be increasingly hostile and equally as small minded.

I find the whole far right thing to be very distasteful, media manufactured, hollow and the last desperate refuge of scoundrels.

Britain these days seems to be very unsociable, selfish and rather ugly in mannerism. Personally, I am rather despairing regarding the quality of life in Britain because of this neo fascist, very unwanted twist to the political tale.

Moving in the opposite direction to my own vision and social behaviour. It will end in tears because that kind of empty patriotism, especially in this age of a connected world and multi culture, is a bygone sham of bigotry.

I am at enmity with forced patriotism and racial bigotry. Always have been and ever shall be.

And no I don't like roast beef on Sundays. Such nostalgia belongs in the museum. No hope converting me into a "roast beef". I'm a vegetarian!

a reply to: lonesomerimbaud

Nostalgia has nothing to do with it. Immigration Is the main factor, when a net migration of over 200,000 a year streams into a small island, which is the equivalent of a small city worth of people, then you need a city to accommodate these people.

Why is the NHS struggling? Because the current resources can't cope that's why.

Why are wages stagnating? Because cheap labour is easily found through foreign immigrants who live with several people in one small house that can afford to live off of cheap labour wages, which is much more than they could expect to gain from their own country's opportunities.

We have a soft touch benefits system where people travel from African nations and the middle east specifically to gain benefits. They could stop at any other European country along the way but then it wouldn't be el dorado which is why there are thousands at a time waiting at the port of Calais. There was a Somali family to give you an idea of these benefit cheats, that moaned and got a 2.1 million pound house in London paid for by tax payers because their other house wasn't big enough. What did they do to deserve it? Nothing! I work and I will most likely never live in a 2.1 million pound house but if someone does I at least want to know that they worked for it.

People that say that right wing politics is dangerous, but when you've been so far left, you need to balance it back out. Sometimes I think the people who post on this site live in grand country homes in the English county side that don't seem to be affected by the same every day problems as us normal people.

If it's so wrong and bad to want to make tough decisions that can save our country, then why do you think so much of the British public are waking up and taking a stand for these right wing policies that they believe will benefit the country? I'll tell you, it's because a large proportion of the population in the UK are right and anyone who still can't see the destruction imposed on our country by the Labour government is blind and always will be.

Some of you wouldn't want to stand and fight for the right thing even if it was smashing your head a against a brick wall. People can keep calling us racists and fascists, which is hilarious by the way, but until you wake up to see the elephant in the room, you'll always be ignorant to the main problems that are destroying this country.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: nonspecific
The reason I say this, is that fascism, no matter how or why it is constructed, is never the answer to any question worth answering. No person who calls themselves British, should be able to forget the fact that more than 300,000 British servicemen fought and died to prevent such a system from ever reaching, or taking root on, these shores.

Yea, they also fought to prevent being ruled by Germany, but look where we are several decades down the line. We've sleep walked under socialism into the very thing we fought against. So which side is more dangerous really?

originally posted by: DAZ21
a reply to: lonesomerimbaud

Nostalgia has nothing to do with it. Immigration Is the main factor, when a net migration of over 200,000 a year streams into a small island, which is the equivalent of a small city worth of people, then you need a city to accommodate these people.

Why is the NHS struggling? Because the current resources can't cope that's why.

Why are wages stagnating? Because cheap labour is easily found through foreign immigrants who live with several people in one small house that can afford to live off of cheap labour wages, which is much more than they could expect to gain from their own country's opportunities.

We have a soft touch benefits system where people travel from African nations and the middle east specifically to gain benefits. They could stop at any other European country along the way but then it wouldn't be el dorado which is why there are thousands at a time waiting at the port of Calais. There was a Somali family to give you an idea of these benefit cheats, that moaned and got a 2.1 million pound house in London paid for by tax payers because their other house wasn't big enough. What did they do to deserve it? Nothing! I work and I will most likely never live in a 2.1 million pound house but if someone does I at least want to know that they worked for it.

People that say that right wing politics is dangerous, but when you've been so far left, you need to balance it back out. Sometimes I think the people who post on this site live in grand country homes in the English county side that don't seem to be affected by the same every day problems as us normal people.

If it's so wrong and bad to want to make tough decisions that can save our country, then why do you think so much of the British public are waking up and taking a stand for these right wing policies that they believe will benefit the country? I'll tell you, it's because a large proportion of the population in the UK are right and anyone who still can't see the destruction imposed on our country by the Labour government is blind and always will be.

Some of you wouldn't want to stand and fight for the right thing even if it was smashing your head a against a brick wall. People can keep calling us racists and fascists, which is hilarious by the way, but until you wake up to see the elephant in the room, you'll always be ignorant to the main problems that are destroying this country.

I take it you are in favour of this kind of thing then?

I look forward to taking this further if you are interested but can I ask that we keep things on a level where we can discuss without allowing random comments and outside influence to derail what should be an interesting converstation.

A few points to get the point rolling.

I don't live in a big posh house, I live in a small rented house in a rubbish part of a crap town.

Nobody here should call you a racist unless you show obvious signs of racism, in this case your posts will be removed so don't worry about that.

If you are going to state claims about immigrants being given £2.1 million homes through benifits it is best to link to relaiable sources or you will get shot down for lack of information.

Other than that I ask you to speak your mind and enjoy the fact that everyone should learn a little from this.

a reply to: DAZ21

a reply to: DAZ21

Hmmm... Vast Rot at nearly midnight? Why not!

You seem to think that 200,000 immigrants are the problem with the NHS. You are mistaken.

The problem with the NHS, is pretty much identical to the problem with everything else in the public sector right now. Let me explain.

Government departments and the things they are responsible for, suffer when they are placed in a situation where a bad contract leads to them paying over the odds for decades at a time, for goods and services. This happens to every government department, but the most glaring example, and the one with which I have the most familiarity, is the contract between a company called Mapeley, and the HMRC.

They own the buildings, and manage every facet of supply of goods and services to the HMRC all over the country. Wherever there is a tax office, or a customs building, Mapeley control every product used inside of it. From photocopier paper, to servicing of machinery and infrastructure, from the supply of every consumable, to the installation of any and all computers, furniture, lighting, everything. It all runs through this company.

Let us say that you wish to purchase a computer mouse for your home computer. You will go down the road to the shops, and perhaps purchase one for around fifteen pounds. However, because HMRC cannot import equipment from any other company, they are forced to pay Mapeley £68.99 for the same exact item. The markups are pretty much the same across the board. A friend of mine who works in an HMRC building, had to have his computer moved from one end of his desk, to the other.

This involves drilling and opening a new hole for the cables to be sunk into, and then connecting all the components of the computer (box, keyboard, screen, mouse, power cables) all back together in their new position, and covering the old hole which used to carry the power cables down to the floor. I would not expect to pay someone to do that. I would do it myself, but if I had to pay someone, I would expect to pay them thirty quid at most. It actually costs £1500 to get that work done.

These are just a couple of examples, from one government department. The amazing irony of it of course, is that Mapeley do not pay the correct amount of tax on those mercenary charges, because they store their money off shore. Yes, that's right, the company which supplies and manages the sites that your tax is dealt with on, is one of the biggest tax dodgers that you could imagine.

However, HMRC are just one government organisation. There are myriad others, and if you look beneath the skin of any one of them, you will find bad contracts which tie our government in, to shelling out hundreds of percent more than they should for goods and services for every department, from the NHS, to the MOD, from the DWP, to the new National Crime Agency.

Look underneath every single economic black hole in government organisations, and you will not find the unemployed at their root, nor immigrants, nor Muslims, nor Socialists, nor any other bugger. What you will find, is appallingly bad contracts, which serve to grease palms which cannot be identified because the money is not in our country any more. It is being siphoned off by big businesses, into offshore accounts, bleeding us dry.

If that nonsense was stopped tomorrow, there would be no problem with accepting these extra bodies at which you aim your ire. If it stopped tomorrow, then every child could expect a place at University, without expecting to pay tuition fees. Pick a problem with government departments and underfunding, and I will assure you that somewhere, hidden in the back of it, with a hundred different types of scape goat lined up in front of it, will be a creep with an off shore account and no moral fibre, and I am afraid that many of them are just as British as you and I are.

Grow up, wake up, and get your head out of 1930s Berlin.