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The Race To Bring Sanity to Science Begins Nnnnnnnn..

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posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 10:12 PM
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OW!

..at least i'll contribute my 2cents, and the judgment about the "sanity content" can be up to you


okay, where do I start?

I've had quite a few (well.. a few notebooks full of) ideas which seem entirely possible, pop into my head from nowhere, and i figure they might do some good if they were created. I am not someone who has any interest in becoming a full-time "inventor", though I would certainly like to see these things (or at least the goals they aim to serve) acted upon, and if perhaps putting them out into cyberspace will motivate You and/or I to act and finally use the knowledge humanity has already accumulated..

If any physics/engineering folks feel like collaborating, send me a message ^-^

1.) Quantum Computing and Information Exchange - This obviously isn't my idea, but It's pretty surprising how long "they" have been researching quantum computing, and yet... there's only a few TRULY quantum computers around, and they're used for stupidly simple (and paranoid) objectives such as encryption and... well yeah. just encryption.. (as far as I've heard at least..) and that's ridiculous. Quantum Computing has the potential to essentially bring us back to "analog technology" and basically exploit the natural laws which science has been mapping for centuries now, and finally bring us to an end of Moore's "law"..

My idea: Once quantum computers become their own paradigm and people begin to use them for more than just conforming to what we already do with binary computers, things are going to change very quickly. Imagine having a computer that isn't limited by "processing speed" and hardware that predictably becomes obsolete.. imagine when these computers can simulate entire scenarios and chemicals interactions.. creating a time-lapse to witness the effects of one substance or another over hundreds of years would take minutes..

THEN just imagine going into a Kinkos-type place, designing your newest invention or girl/boyfriend's birthday present on the computer, simulating the physics in minutes, and then using a 3D-printer to then print it out.. This can't be far away from becoming reality.

2.) Universal Manipulation of Matter - Science has mapped out the chemical qualities of just about every known substance.. things such as the Coefficient of Friction have to be experimentally tested (though using quantum computers, i bet this could be simulated..), but most of the attributes of just about any substance can be described and manipulated according to pretty complex objectives..

My idea: Imagine if the ability to manipulate matter in every conceivable way, became mainstream science? So instead of "the chemists" sticking to chemical reactions, and "the physicists" sticking to the motion of things, they (and many other silly divisions in science) would finally come together into one area of study. I believe this would result in the emergence of technologies which would finally bring an end to stupid ideas like "separating your recycling" and people honestly thinking that the majority of society is going to become environmentally responsible.. that's nice to give people the benefit of the doubt, but i think "the professionals" need to take the first step and show humanity what it's capable of..
I know this is a vague way of describing this idea, but I'm trying to avoid making this one idea into it's own thread haha. an example of what could come of it would be: Sorting out all garbage and waste using extremely low frequencies of sound and creating standing-waves which would isolate materials of different densities, compact or incinerate them, and overall just use ALL of our knowledge on physical materials.. finally do away with "landfills"..

3.) Moving Industrial Processes into Space - This definitely didn't come from my brain, but Robert Anton Wilson and Timothy Leary did their best to plant this idea into the mainstream consciousness, and I'd like to see if i can't help it stick..

Imagine if every (and i mean EVERY) industrial area/wasteland, is suddenly seen as being an obsolete way of accomplishing our production needs, it's obviously more efficient and profitable to carry out these processes in zero-gravity, the "masters of industry" collaborate (a concept that is sadly still alien to them at this time) to create space platforms in orbit and/or on the DARK SIDE of the Moon (i would be the first one protesting them building Anything on the light side..) and then as Robert Anton Wilson said, "Earth can finally again become a giant nature park!"

however.. our fuel technology needs to be improved first so we're not using the ridiculously nasty fuel we put into our rockets nowadays.. and that's why we need to innovate..

4.) Synergetic Fuel Technologies - This is somewhat related to my idea of unifying the seemingly "different" paradigms of Science, but would simply be a combining of what we know "makes things go", creating a template of what works best, when, why, and how. We would then make that common knowledge and MOVE. ON...

my idea: a simple example of this would be created a scaled-up version of a wind-up car. Imagine a full-size vehicle which has a "battery" which is composed of "springs" (i like to imagine huge truck-shocks) which would be arranged in a box. These would be coiled-up when either the driver winds it up (imagine something like an E-brake that the driver would pull for each mile). But of course this stored energy would only propel the vehicle forward... you want radio and headlights, so you move on and look beyond the "Simple machines", and then add electrical technologies which are most applicable (I would think a "Solar skin" on the outside of the vehicle, and methods of storing extra kinetic energy from braking/turning etc, could do the job)

5.) Mass Public Transportation in the Sky - Here's where I have a fairly complete (and scientifically backed) idea of how this could work, but I would kinda like to work on a few things myself before i put it out there in the open.. let's just say that a small scale of this technology could easily result in the long-awaited "hoverboard" and is so simple that people would *facepalm* if they saw it work.. but I'd like to have a functioning model before i put it out there..

My (general) idea: Imagine a cruise ship or ferry sized vehicle.. but in the sky. Howard Hughes created The Hercules and proved that giant aircraft can indeed fly.. but imagine a craft that isn't meant to take-off and land for every trip.. imagine a craft that isn't even meant to be aerodynamic (at least not in the same way as an airplane)... Imagine a craft that would sit well-above the clouds and/or even in the upper atmosphere and hover using the wind currents, with the help of the "mystery technology" mentioned above. No "anti-gravity" or alien technologies needed.. just surfing the currents of the high winds


I'm just tired of hearing about what "we can't do", and am ready to collaborate with folks who believe in a better future.
edit on 24-9-2014 by HyphenSt1 because: cuz i said so




posted on Sep, 25 2014 @ 01:53 AM
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My thoughts to your ideas:

(1) Programming real quantum computers is not as easy, even finding provable problems for them isn't. As far as I have seen, the computer nerds of the world can't even estimate if the (afaik) only quantum-powered computer on sale (from D-Wave Systems) is really powered by quantum dynamics or... just a normal computer with some unusual hicks and tricks implanted, but running on old silicon chips.

(2) Much is possible, but usually the ways are hindered by putting more energy into those reactions than getting out of them. So it would just been deemed inefficient and uneconomical.

(3) Much too expensive with modern thrust-engines. NASA set up a program for this (Link here), but I doubt that there ARE feasible industries with economical positive outcome from this, right now.

(4) Are you talking about hybrid cars? If not, always think about the most efficient way to convert energies from one state to another (here: moving into storage). Mechanical devices are usually not the best way, as they at least tend to weaken and lose their capabilty to store enough energy.

(5) Like a blimp?
edit on 25-9-2014 by ManFromEurope because: yay, lost a bracket. C++ would be SOOOO happy about it (DOES NOT COMPILE). Put it in anyway, even if you meatbag-computers are capable to run my text without it!



posted on Sep, 25 2014 @ 02:05 AM
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Dear OP, Unfortunately I am not the scientific minded individual you seek, however I just wanted to say that your ideas are amazing and paint a beautiful picture for the future!! Please continue to be the dreamer of big dreams, the world needs more of them.

S&F for not only the content of your ideas, but the willingness to collaberate and bring them to fruition. I wish you much success in this endeavor.



posted on Sep, 25 2014 @ 02:59 AM
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When I was a little boy, about the age of six, I was mad about aeroplanes. I had a kiddies' 'encycopaedia' with a (highly simplified) labelled diagram of a jet engine in it, and I vaguely knew how one worked, so I set out to build one — with scissors, glue and cardboard — following the diagram.

Your project to bring 'sanity' to science reminded me of that long-forgotten disappointment.


edit on 25/9/14 by Astyanax because: of little boys.



posted on Sep, 25 2014 @ 03:29 AM
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Materials science, Physics and Chemistry have historically been separate disciplines with their own specialists but we are in a new age of understanding - mainly brought about by materials science- that has amalgamated them into one discipline.

Conventional science- (i.e the technology available to the masses arising from the peer review and research route) has seemingly not lived up to our imaginations due to it's necessity to prove "how" things work rather than "why" things work.

I wouldnt be surprised, given adequate budget and resources, if most of the things on your list would be do-able right now based on reports of nano construction, mono-atomic lattices and none brittle ceramics if someone could get the right "heads" on the right projects and only worry about effects rather than causes.



posted on Sep, 25 2014 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: HyphenSt1

S&F for the creativity in the OP



posted on Sep, 25 2014 @ 06:47 PM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope
My thoughts to your ideas:

(1) Programming real quantum computers is not as easy, even finding provable problems for them isn't. As far as I have seen, the computer nerds of the world can't even estimate if the (afaik) only quantum-powered computer on sale (from D-Wave Systems) is really powered by quantum dynamics or... just a normal computer with some unusual hicks and tricks implanted, but running on old silicon chips.


I have read abit about this and i find it intriguing that it's so difficult to distinguish between "quantum driven" and "normal" computer


i mean, i think that this conundrum may point to there not *really* being a difference between the two, but rather "normal computers" are simply using an inefficient language, and the silicone chips are designed to work with electricity, rather than light. Electricity is definitely powerful and quick but is still 1/100th the speed of light.. not to mention the system of processing data in our conventional computers still are built as if they were imitating the human eye scanning a page of text.. it's linear and subject to error if a single line or word is misinterpreted. We are told that our computers are based on pure logic etc, but this isn't true. They are "logical" in the same way that The United States is a "Democracy" haha. Once we get past Fuzzy Logic, I think true quantum computers will begin to show their strengths.
I am no quantum physicist so i don't want to come off like i have the answers, but i DO know people have been researching this since the 60s and i find it strange no one has gone into trying to use fiber optics and other light based technologies, to finally do away with relying on wires..



(2) Much is possible, but usually the ways are hindered by putting more energy into those reactions than getting out of them. So it would just been deemed inefficient and uneconomical.


I agree with you there, and this is a reasonable excuse to not take a lot of risks pursuing certain technologies, and totally changing paradigms, BUT i do shake my head in disappointment at those people who write books on Science every year, but don't have the creativity and/or the drive to challenge many of the awkwardly sewn seams of Scientific (not to mention Political and Economic) paradigms and try to point out where they overlap.
one of the ONLY people who have seriously pursued this goal (to my knowledge) is Ken Wilber with his Integral Theory. He has been writing since the early 70s though, and I have literally only met one person who has heard of him haha..



(3) Much too expensive with modern thrust-engines. NASA set up a program for this (Link here), but I doubt that there ARE feasible industries with economical positive outcome from this, right now.


I'm just saying the numbers are there. We know processes can be carried out so much more efficiently in zero gravity. We know that pollution from these industrial processes is not something that will be solved by just "taxing carbon" (at least i'm not even willing to dignify that whole idea with a thought haha) so the only option (other than eventually enforcing obligatory Amish-ness on everyone who can't afford a carbon tax
) would be to move these processes into orbit. There's no place to go, except up!!!



(4) Are you talking about hybrid cars? If not, always think about the most efficient way to convert energies from one state to another (here: moving into storage). Mechanical devices are usually not the best way, as they at least tend to weaken and lose their capabilty to store enough energy.


I am not someone who is constantly waiting for "free energy" to finally be discovered, but rather someone who sees ENOUGH energy for our intents and purposes, all around us..
I am just saying that our "methods of propulsion" should be based on a hierarchy of what is the most efficient way to accomplish any given goal. True that simple mechanisms alone are not "the answer", and i am by no means suggesting a return to "that good old time Science"
HOWEVER, i do not think these are technologies to be abandoned completely.. For example: the old gear and cog system is obviously strong and reliable when all components are in working order, but the downside is the wear and tear that comes through use.. however, we KNOW this is the result of friction, so what is stopping us from doing simple things like.. utilizing simple systems of magnets which eliminate friction wherever possible?

What i'd REALLY like to see (which is related to #2) is a sort of international agreement on a hierarchy of "what does what, in the best way" in terms of Science. This should be something that can be empirically tested and demonstrated..



(5) Like a blimp?


indeed, at least with the same goal.. except invert the ratio between the size and the amount of people who can be aboard. Blimps have a HUGE area that is required just for the lifting of a small space occupied by passengers. I'm envisioning a cruise ship of the sky which would use a few different methods of using the natural currents of the wind, the attributes of thin air in the upper atmosphere, and a means of landing on water so you wouldn't have to fit cruise-ship sized craft at an airport


the logistics and resources are nowhere to be found right now, but all of these things seem very much within reach.. if only those with the wealth and influence, had the eyes to see..



posted on Sep, 25 2014 @ 09:10 PM
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The Asteroids Act will provide the foundation for an entirely new space economy and could set a precedent for the orderly assignment of mineral rights—on asteroids and someday on the moon or Mars. Better yet, its passage will cost the taxpayer nothing—while the ensuing economic activity will benefit everybody through the creation of jobs and appropriate future taxes on asteroid mining. Passing this bill will be a clear signal to emerging commercial ventures that America supports the economic development of space.


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