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Census Bureau: Noncitizen income rose 15 times faster than income of native U.S. workers in 2013

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posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 03:04 PM
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A Census Bureau report says household income rose much faster for non-citizens than citizens.

And that's only what they can find out about.

Interesting.

Maybe has something to do with the types of jobs available?




The U.S. Census Bureau reported Tuesday that household income for noncitizens working in the United States rose 6.0 percent between 2012 and 2013, 15 times more than the paltry 0.4 percent increase for households led by native-born U.S. workers.

Census said income households led by foreign-born workers, which includes noncitizens and naturalized citizens, rose 1.7 percent over the same period of time. That’s still about four times higher than the 0.4 percent increase for native born workers.




Census Bureau: Noncitizen income rose 15 times faster than income of native U.S. workers in 2013


Hmmm..



The summer lull in illegal border crossings from Mexico is about to give way to a rush of even more immigrants in a frenzy of fear that Washington is about to shut the door, according to several Hispanic leaders.

In Honduras, for example, U.S. threats coupled with those from local leaders warning about the dangers of crossing the border have instead reenergized children and adults to run fast to America and pay inflated fees to “coyotes” to get them there.

Illegals rushing border fearing U.S. crackdown





posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 03:23 PM
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Are there any demographics on these household that are non citizens in the Census Bureau? If they are in the Census Bureau are they then Illegals or people who work in the US in the normal system?

If they are not illegals low paying jobs then the group pf people can be highly skilled specialist in their fields that might have a higher demand on them than the ones getting 0.4% increase.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: LittleByLittle

They may be individuals who fall under the H-1B visa:

The H-1B is a non-immigrant visa in the United States under the Immigration and Nationality Act, section 101(a)(15)(H). It allows U.S. employers to temporarily employ foreign workers in specialty occupations.

The regulations define a "specialty occupation" as requiring theoretical and practical application of a body of highly specialized knowledge in a field of human endeavor including but not limited to biotechnology, chemistry, architecture, engineering, mathematics, physical sciences, social sciences, medicine and health, education, law, accounting, business specialties, theology, and the arts, and requiring the attainment of a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent as a minimum.


H-1B Visa, Wikipedia



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Your are deeply confused. People here from all over the globe that are lucky enough to qualify for an H1-B Visa or O1 visa etc. have by definition highly sought after skill-sets that are difficult to come by in the USA. What made you think these were illegal immigrants?



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: xuenchen

Your are deeply confused. People here from all over the globe that are lucky enough to qualify for an H1-B Visa or O1 visa etc. have by definition highly sought after skill-sets that are difficult to come by in the USA. What made you think these were illegal immigrants?



It's not me that "thinks" that.

Non-Citizens are not all illegal.

But I suspect illegals rushing the border might "think" they can get a remedy for their dilemmas.




posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

The problem is that we are awash in STEM grads who cannot get jobs in STEM fields that those H1-B workers are coming in a taking. Most H1-B come to work in places like Silicon Valley, and you can't tell me that there aren't IT and technical computer engineering grads coming out of American unis who can do the jobs.

What's really going on is that people like Zuckerberg are pressing for the foreign workers who can be hired for much less because it depresses wages. Meanwhile, American grads are SOL.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 04:23 PM
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This is exactly the purpose of allowing unchecked immigration....to glut the job market, suppressing wages and benefits as people should simply be glad if they can find a job, much less a good one.

So, now that there is bureaucratic, statistical proof, not just anecdotal accounts- what will Congress or the Prez do? Nothing, because corporations are running this game.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 04:43 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Indigo5

The problem is that we are awash in STEM grads who cannot get jobs in STEM fields that those H1-B workers are coming in a taking. Most H1-B come to work in places like Silicon Valley, and you can't tell me that there aren't IT and technical computer engineering grads coming out of American unis who can do the jobs.

What's really going on is that people like Zuckerberg are pressing for the foreign workers who can be hired for much less because it depresses wages. Meanwhile, American grads are SOL.



Wrong on both counts...There are not enough SW and IT grads to meet the demand. That is just the truth. And Zuckerberg does not pinch pennies. Average starting salary for a fresh grad at FB is 85k, plus abt 30k stock and an annual bonus of 15k...and that is year one.

Now on H1Bs and O1s (Outstanding Abilities) both, to different measures must demonstrate that there is an insufficient supply of people with those skill-sets.

Now...here is the hard truth of it...If you are in IT or SW and can't find a job right now in the USA, you are either living in Bumble-eff Nebraska where there are no tech firms or you need to face the fact you suck as a SW or IT Engineer.

Every Tech company in the nation is SCREAMING for tech talent..and are willing to pay for it.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 04:46 PM
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originally posted by: kosmicjack
This is exactly the purpose of allowing unchecked immigration....


What exactly makes you think that immigration is unchecked? This OP is inaccurately confusing legal immigration with illegal...and Legal immigration H1Bs etc. is insanely tight. Most times, after you demonstrate you have a relevant degree and experience in keeping for where our economy is hurting for talent...you then have to enter a LOTTERY..yes a LOTTERY for the few H1Bs granted each year.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 04:56 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5


Wrong on both counts...There are not enough SW and IT grads to meet the demand. That is just the truth. And Zuckerberg does not pinch pennies. Average starting salary for a fresh grad at FB is 85k, plus abt 30k stock and an annual bonus of 15k...and that is year one.


Are you SURE?


Cries that “the STEM sky is falling” are just the latest in a cyclical pattern of shortage predictions over the past half-century, none of which were even remotely accurate. In a desert of evidence, the growth of STEM shortage claims is driven by heavy industry funding for lobbyists and think tanks. Their goal is government intervention in the market under the guise of solving national economic problems. The highly profitable IT industry, for example, is devoting millions to convince Congress and the White House to provide its employers with more low-cost, foreign guestworkers instead of trying to attract and retain employees from an ample domestic labor pool of native and immigrant citizens and permanent residents. Guestworkers currently make up two-thirds of all new IT hires, but employers are demanding further increases. If such lobbying efforts succeed, firms will have enough guestworkers for at least 100 percent of their new hiring and can continue to legally substitute these younger workers for current employees, holding down wages for both them and new hires.


Claiming there is a skills shortage by denying the strength of the U.S. STEM workforce and student supply is possible only by ignoring the most obvious and direct evidence and obscuring the issue with statistical smokescreens – especially when the Census Bureau reports that only about one in four STEM bachelor’s degree holders has a STEM job, and Microsoft plans to downsize by 18,000 workers over the next year.


STEM grads are at a loss

Someone isn't telling the truth, and considering the massive immigration push by the current administration? The profits to be made from these tech companies? I think this article lays it out with out emotional correctness and propaganda!




edit on 16-9-2014 by seeker1963 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 05:01 PM
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a reply to: kosmicjack

No, it's not so much that as it is that if they do nothing, then they make us dependent which furthers their agenda. Sure the corps are getting the cheap labor, but they are only getting a temporary benefit. This is the endgame - the politicians play us off the businesses right now while secretly assuring the businesses that they have control, but as soon as there are enough of us who are dependent on government, they then switch and use us to justify a sweeping power and property grab in the name of fairness and equality.

In the end, the politicians will control us, and they'll control the means of production. They'll have it all without having lost any of their power. Game, Set. Match. The gilding comes off the cage then, and we find out what really happens when the government big enough to give you everything you need has it all, including total control of your life. Remember, Marx himself said that those who don't work, won't eat, and as we see in other centrally planned command economies, those who work may not even eat.

We need to wake up and realize who the real enemies are - they're in Washington.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 08:25 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

While I think you make good points, I think you omit that the corporations control DC through lobbying and campaign finance loop holes.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 08:51 PM
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a reply to: kosmicjack

Good reply, but I think it goes much deeper than that.

I recently had to hire 4 new people. I put an ad on craigslist and received many responses. Talked to about 25-30 people, set up interviews and the only people that showed up for their interviews were Mexican.

No surprise that 4 out of that group got the jobs.

I believe it's a cultural thing where Americans have become lazy, are repulsed by a hard day's work and are not willing to do certain jobs. Mexicans come here to work hard and provide a life for their family that is not within their grasp in Mexico.

My employees will often say that they have never seen a juedo work as hard as I do. That's not because I'm superman, it's because even though I have a good position in life I still get down and dirty in the job that's needed to be done.

We have lost that in America. We've lost the ability, in general, to roll-up our sleeves and get dirty.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 08:58 PM
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originally posted by: kosmicjack
a reply to: ketsuko

While I think you make good points, I think you omit that the corporations control DC through lobbying and campaign finance loop holes.


Really?

Who has the army? Who makes the laws? If DC gets public support, they could justify seizing corporate property and assets. They've already done it with two of the big three auto makers. What was done was basically illegal and violation of contract law, but with public support behind it, no one stopped them from seizing corporate assets, essentially nationalizing the companies and putting them into partial public ownership.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 09:03 PM
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a reply to: sheepslayer247

Good point. I would only add that some of it is disenfranchisement or disillusionment. People don't have the middle class job opportunities or buying power with their salaries that their parents did and they know their kids are headed for worse...and it creates a hopelessness and a certain "screw this" mentality. Whereas immigrants that come here from third world countries have it better from the get-go and maybe work hard not to let it slip out of their reach.

Maybe after a generation or two of this, the U.S. will find it's pride and work ethic again.

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posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 09:14 PM
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a reply to: kosmicjack

We will only find our work ethic again when the corps bring the industrial/manufacturing jobs back to America. Right now we "Americans" are used to sitting in a cubicle, sipping coffee and doing meaningless work.

The other jobs are left to those of us that are willing to take a raw product and produce something from it.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 09:19 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Yes, really. A good portion of the military budget is for private contractors (corporations) And DC produces legislation greatly influenced by and for the benefit of private interests (corporations).

Look, we're both right - the U.S. is a corporate oligarchy.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 10:18 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

...Maybe has something to do with the types of jobs available?


No. It's because immigrants with lots of money and very high credentials are favored over low-level applicants.




PS. I know you know this - AND know it's a non-issue. tsk



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:45 PM
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originally posted by: sheepslayer247
a reply to: kosmicjack

My employees will often say that they have never seen a juedo work as hard as I do. That's not because I'm superman, it's because even though I have a good position in life I still get down and dirty in the job that's needed to be done.

We have lost that in America. We've lost the ability, in general, to roll-up our sleeves and get dirty.


I think part of that is a culture that tells kids that success is being able to tell other people what to do vs. rolling up your sleeves and getting it done.

I live in the talent space, understand H1Bs and local STEM talent. One thing people are confusing here is what STEM is..by STEM's definition it includes many fields, some in demand, some not.

Secondly..yes, our higher education system sucks. DO you really think the Engineers that are great are taking low paying positions at universities vs. the mega-bucks and very rewarding work they can do at a cutting edge tech company? Outside of Stanford, Berkeley, MIT et al. most universities don't pay for great engineering and science professors. It's a profit motive.

So...Only a percentage of our college graduates in STEM come out ready...and they are snapped up lickety split. Recruiting for engineers at Stanford or MIT begins around your Junior year. Almost all Engineers at those schools have offers in pocket 6 months to a year before they even graduate.

Now...In India and China...those kids work there ass off, they dream of working in the USA. The study hard, come aggressive, have the foundational engineering skills...US Tech companies desperately need them to fill the gap.

What india and china lack though (on average, not always) is a creative, innovative mindset. They are great at execution...doing the math...doing what they are told...but Americans drive creation, innovation, disruption.

A great American grad will have both...willing to break the paradigm/innovate and gives a 150% of themselves.

But American STEM grads that graduate with a 3.0 from a middling school and are wondering where their immediate pay-day is? We have too many of those

(1) Better education system
(2) Better attitudes from new grads...just devour anything and everything thrown your way...you are 22..you don't need 120k for pizza and beer.
(3) Contrary to what you have been told...nobody wants an Engineer or even an executive who isn't willing to roll up their sleeves and get it done. A corner office telling others what to do is path to obsolescence.

The choices are to send Americans to Shanghai to tell a room full of Chinese engineers what to do...cuz they don't innovate or tackle hard problems on their own. OR bring hard working H1B immigrants here to fill the gaps that our kids are not filling....until our education system starts producing the kinds of engineers we need.

I prefer to keep the growth and money here in the USA. Fill the seats anyway you can to deliver the technology and accelerate innovation.

Tech companies pay for talent...they don't care if that talent is yellow, brown, orange or white and they will do what they need to get it done. There are US companies driving toward innovations that will change the world...I want them to do it here in the USA. When they struggle for talent they move to India and China.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Indigo5

The problem is that we are awash in STEM grads who cannot get jobs in STEM fields that those H1-B workers are coming in a taking. Most H1-B come to work in places like Silicon Valley, and you can't tell me that there aren't IT and technical computer engineering grads coming out of American unis who can do the jobs.

What's really going on is that people like Zuckerberg are pressing for the foreign workers who can be hired for much less because it depresses wages. Meanwhile, American grads are SOL.



I was working at a company that is Swedish (international company that is Swedish that have employes and offices in US) that sent their specialized migration technicians to do a temporary migration work in US. They where not allowed in because of that excuse. No one It specialist do not automatically know how to do specialized it-work that you need training and experience to do. And wasting time teaching people (that would probably have taken 6 months) who never done it for a project that takes 6 months is a waste of resources.

Capitalism works this way and the cheapest employer get the work, free world market. I know that the US is getting the other side of the coin now where the middle class is destroyed by these forces as the CIA and banks/corporations did in South America and Africa in the past. Funny how it was acceptable to cause poverty in non US countries but not in the US.
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