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reply posted on 7-12-2004 @ 06:05 AM by zi2525
Originally posted by American Mad Man
Originally posted by zi2525
Originally posted by American Mad Man
The reason it could work....

Understanding the islamic terrorists, their goal is the spread of Islam. Therefor, the threat of destroying Mecca might actually prevent them from attacking the US with WMDs.

Think about it - the only thing they respect is their religion, therefor in order for MAD to work, the destruction must be their religion. Thus that is what needs to be targeted.

I don't think 100 cities is needed....Just the top 10 holly spots.


But dont forget, with the destruction of mecca they can say for sure that it is a war on their religon. What other reason would you attack a holy place that houses no weapons or terrrorists? It would be a big mistake.

REsulting form that you can expect a nuke going off in Vatican City to finalize the fact that is america does something stupid that its time to dance. This is another fact, who do you think would be hurt more, the muslims or americans? The muslims will use this tool to bring millions and millions of terrorists full fold, As much as Americans say they are willing to die for their country, 80% are just saying it.


I see your point, but you are assuming that they have a large suply of nukes - which in all likelyhood would not be the case.

At any rate, if a Nuke does go off in the US, you will see the same thing that happened in WWII to the japanese - all muslims will be put in camps. In that case, there will be no more nukes going off in the US.


See though thats where it gets tricky, do not forget that muslim is a religon not a race. Its hard to determin what religon a person is by just looking at him (well not that hard but it can be) just look at the many African American Muslim groups which are not Arab or Persian heritage, or many of the people who come from mixed backround of white/arab/persian which do not look middle eastern. Even Cat stevens witha good shave would not look muslim. I think it would be a very hard thing to judge religon opposed to race, becouse at the end of the day all some one has to do is say i love jesus and im christian and they do not have to go in to a camp.

But on the other hand then you can do it racialy, then will you put only Arabs in the camps or Persians(Iranians) as well. What about Indians, thier are some muslim factions their. And many muslims residing in Russia and Eastern/Northern Asia.

Another world war will be turned in to East VS West like always, consisting of more than just the middle east by the look of it.


reply posted on 8-12-2004 @ 02:52 AM by paperclip
edsinger, you sound like a typical cold war leftover. No wonder you worship Rumsfeld&Co.
There are, sadly, several of such leftovers curretly in high positions of US goverment, who are trying to solve all problems in 21st century by using the cold war tactics.

Main characteristic of cold war was polarisation of the world. Western and eastern block, western and eastern alies. We have destroyed that mentality in 1989 and all the people running things in the last days of cold war were sent into early retirement in 1992, after Gulf War disaster.
SADLY, they were brought back to life in 2000 and now we all have to pay for that. They have polarised, actualy tried to polarise the world again, but it did not quite work well like they hoped it would. The crap "you are either with us or against us" didn't really catch on in the world, the world which is slightly more aware of whats going on then it was 20 years ago.

You cannot use cold war methods to solve conflicts of the 21st century, simply because the situation is UTTERLY different.

MAD was an option when you had clearly defined two countries, goverments of those countries representing clearly defined ideologies with clearly defined intentions and # load of nukes.
MAD was a threat to GOVERMENTS, to those in power, that they will lose everything if they try to nuke the other side.

You are threatening MAD to rogue groups of people, pissed at you for various different reasons, living in various countries hunted by the police and goverments of those countries. They do not care much about civilian population either, they wouldn't be who they are if they cared. Their power and influence is limited, their ideology unclear. Quite a few of them live in the middle of jesus-loving, gun-loving USA and those are the ones who will probably attack you again. Death IS their goal, they are trained to kill themselves and you want to scare them off with threat to kill them? See the absurdity?

In all your greatness, the almighty CIA, FBI, billions of dollars, terrorists still managed to train in the middle of florida and cary out the attacks. Your woods are full of nutters training for the war with goverment, despite all the "greatness" of your police Timothy McWeigh blew up a building full of people.
Now, you are asking that some middle eastern POOR country, with very limited resources, does a BETTER job in catching terrorists then you did. You expect them to catch every single rogue group or there will be consequences.

I mean, WAKE UP. Wake up to the real world.

The current US administration failed miserably in the fight against terror because they were fighting the war which ended long time ago. They were not ready for this one. Pure force is not how you fight a widespread ideology.
This is not a simple war with simple two sides.
We are NOT fighting Islam, there is no nation called like that, with goverment, military and all.
We are fighting something that requires modern NEW methods of war, world-wide alliance, and not just 20 something random countries, it requires goverments who are flexible, who can change quickly to adapt to new order of things (I know, bad choice of words on a conspiracy site , but you all know what I mean). We do not need some long forgotten ideology, arogant rulers who think they can do it all alone, corrupt presidents... they will fail, and the world will become a much darker place.
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