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posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 09:43 PM
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The cops are supposed to protect us... but who can protect us from the cops? Today we discuss the tragic rash of police brutality that has struck the United States in Ferguson, Missouri, New York City, and even small town Ohio.



Are badge cameras the answer? Or is accountability only the beginning of a deeper issue? What are some things that we all can do that can actually change what is happening?




posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 09:47 PM
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a reply to: JesseVentura The constitution is supposed to protect us, but that's not working out so good lately. Maybe what we need is constitutional police to enforce it and hold bad police accountable.
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posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 09:48 PM
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There was a thread posted the other day (sorry, too lazy to post a link) that really highlighted what we need to do to stop the brutality.

We need to show some respect and cooperate with the police. Wouldn't we expect the same in return? After watching the recent riots I am convinced that there are some people that push their luck with cops just because of who they are and what they do.

Granted, there are some bad apples in the group and that needs to be addressed, but if we want a change we have to be the change.

Kill em with kindness?

ETA: You asked in the video if we have pushed them to that level. I believe we have.
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posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 09:48 PM
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a reply to: JesseVentura

I think the fact that most people have a camera these days on their phones is drastically exposing something that's been a problem for a long time... but we're only now coming to realise it as videos spread through the net

in the past only large demonstrations were covered by the media, but now everyone is the media via the internet




posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 09:57 PM
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a reply to: JesseVentura

I like what ghetto boys, police brutality is not a formality, your kickin our ass and were paying your salary



posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 10:23 PM
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originally posted by: JesseVentura

Are badge cameras the answer? Or is accountability only the beginning of a deeper issue? What are some things that we all can do that can actually change what is happening?


In the uk the police manage without guns. If guns are needed specialist armed cops are called in. We dont get the horrific problems we're seeing in the US. Seems simple to me. Take their guns from them.



posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 10:34 PM
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I'd like to know how far the police training goes in regards to how to act in threatening situations, as well as prejudice and discrimination, morality, and if they learn about past police scandals and discuss ways not to repeat them.

It just seems like so many of these police brutality videos are policeman lacking in professionalism and acting on emotion and fear (and in some cases lacking in morality). But I don't know whether they are trained to act in that way or not.

I think cameras are a good idea although that might put off some of the better policemen who object to being surveilled 24/7.



posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 10:35 PM
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I think there is a deeper issue that cameras can help put a stop to. But if we were going to re-write the book on policing and start from scratch... I would like to see smaller police districts with some level of accountability to the public, rather than protest. Elections would be nice and living in the community you police should be mandatory.

I do not believe anything can really be done where we are at besides the cameras. Too much going on and there will always be another excuse to why force is necessary and even be orchestrated to push agendas.

I'm not overly optimistic, sorry everyone.



posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 10:45 PM
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In 2012, the last stats available from the FBI there were about 12 million arrests in the U.S.A. That averages out to 34,000 arrests per day. In 99.9 percent of those cases, the perpetrator was not killed by police. In fact, just over 400 fatal police shootings a year are recorded in this country, according to the FBI......many of them justified.


91 percent of black homicide victims are killed by other blacks.

I'm not saying there is never police brutality, but I don't think it is as pervasive as what most people are being lead to believe.

We are being manipulated into not trusting our local police, and that is not a good thing.



posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 10:57 PM
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a reply to: VoidHawk

I keep saying this said and frankly think it's ridiculous. You don't have citizens with guns. Your cops don't need guns. Ours do. We don't have time for specialist armed cops in every situation. It takes awhile to get SWAT out.

I can walk into a store right now and walk out with an AR 15 and 1,000 rounds of ammo within 10 minutes just by showing my ID (and 10 minutes would be about the longest I've waited to pick up a gun). So can any 18 year old with enough money.

We have an insane amount of illegal guns on the streets. Banning guns would barely put a dent in the problem. While this problem exists, police need to be armed.

I also don't think people from the UK get how big the US is. There is no way for every police department to have a dedicated firearms unit capable of responding in a timely manner. You can drive for a LONG time without seeing anyone. These remote places where backup is scarce and armed units couldn't possibly be positioned are already unsafe enough for law enforcement.



posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 10:57 PM
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83% of white homicide victims were killed by other whites, and the total homicide rates were 52.4% black and 45.2% white, which is not a significant difference. It's probably more related to the fact that 54.3% of victims were killed by someone they knew (friend, relative, neighbour), than any other reason.

Does that 400 police shootings include 'justifiable homicide'? That seems like a loose term. It would also be good to see statistics on police shootings that have ended in death for previous years.



posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 10:57 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords

In 2012, the last stats available from the FBI there were about 12 million arrests in the U.S.A. That averages out to 34,000 arrests per day. In 99.9 percent of those cases, the perpetrator was not killed by police. In fact, just over 400 fatal police shootings a year are recorded in this country, according to the FBI......many of them justified.


91 percent of black homicide victims are killed by other blacks.

I'm not saying there is never police brutality, but I don't think it is as pervasive as what most people are being lead to believe.

We are being manipulated into not trusting our local police, and that is not a good thing.




Question was about putting cameras on the police, you come out with BUT BUT BLACK PEOPLE KILL MORE BLACK PEOPLE THAN COPS!

Have you happened to notice how many threads have been posted in the posse comitatus forum in the last year about cops killing people's pets? Do you think that's the PETA controlled liberal media trying to make us distrust our local cops too?

Don't you ever get sick of race pimping?

As to the actual question. I can think of no good reason NOT to put cameras on cops. Is it the whole answer? Maybe not, but an honest cop should have nothing to hide from the camera while he's in uniform. If anything, it's provides just as much protection for cops against false accusations.
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posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 11:02 PM
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I don't race pimp. Hard facts seem to bother you immensely. The topic is Police Brutality in case you have difficulty reading. BTW, you won't ever find a racist word coming out of my keyboard. I challenge you to find one...just one.

I will say what I think and I think we are being manipulated into mistrusting our LOCAL police.....bad policy, imo.



posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 11:09 PM
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We need to get the hades moving and PURSUE-ARREST-PROSECUTE every last Lew Enforcement officer caught on video and posted online,every last one of the "brothers" and "sisters" need to be branded as the Felons they are and ALL SUPPORTING PERSONELL interfering or refusing to participte reasonably need to ALSO BE CHARGED AS ACCESSORIES.

Jesse the solution is obvious and you keep beating around the bush.

This is a TRUST issue on a National basis,i bet Americans trust their governments less than the Chineese or Russians.

Who killed JFK Jesse?

Why should I trust YOU Jesse,when you worked for a Coup de tat false Government for an impactfull period of your life.

No one SHOULD trust a broken system,and most people know very well the entire system is broken and also have a pretty good idea why.

It all starts at the top Jesse,we all know that.

If you cannot trust your government because Coup de tat removed your ability to do so when JFK was killed ,then you cannot trust any lower regional governing system which answers to that same Coup de tat government.

American PATRIOTISM was FROZEN in time and then HI-JACKED, YES Americans WANT to be Patriotic,but HOW can they be when NO ONE WILL STEP UP TO CAPTAIN THEM?

Americans who cannot trust each other CANNOT BE PATRIOTS,patriotisim is based upon TRUST Jesse.


The Nation-wide stockholm Syndrome America has been a victim of since the Coup de tat in Dallas when JFK was murdered by a Cabal which included active elements of his own government among others has SLOWLY SAPPED THE LIFE AND ENERGY OUT OF AMERICA.......exactly as is was designed to do.... killing JFK wasnt the real impact the Cabal was looking for no way.....they were looking to cut off the cojones of American Patriotism,to SPLINTER their IDENTITY so many times they would never recover.

Jesse if you wnt to solve Police Brutality and Civil unrest which results you must REBUILD WHAT.....TRUST.

Something needs to be torn down and destroyed before it can be REBUILT, and Americas Identity and Patriotic heart have been shredded and kicked to pieces,it IS TIME TO REBUIL STRONGER.

Who killed JFK Jesse? You will NEVER get Americans to TRUST EACH OTHER AGAIN if you fail to quickly disclose the TRUE AND COMPLETE STORY, we know the implications of this disclosure dont we Jesse?

America is on her way to being finished Jesse and you of all people very well know it and moreso you have a pretty good idea of why as well.

They are going to WIN Jesse, the same people who FINANCED those who built America will now WIN by destroying what they already owned because they can,no other good reason.

Jesse you and I will ALWAYS end up here stuck on a lack of TRUST throughout America penetrating to her soul, catalysed by the Coup de tat actioned upon JFK and the Nationwide case of Stockholm Syndrome this organised action seeded,it was the LONG TERM IMPACTS THE CABAL WERE LOOKING TO JESSE.

There is really NOWHERE ELSE we can end up when we discuss TRUST in America and it is a painfull remorsefull place to keep ending up in , if you keep asking questions about how to save America,Jesse you have to have the strength to handle the answers.


What is missing in America between the People and Law Enforcement Jesse? Please allow me to answer for you .....TRUST...is this CLEAR NOW SIR!

What is the primary Mission Driver of a Coup de tat action Jesse? Again, please allow me to answer for you ....BREACHING THE PEOPLES TRUST....are you ON-DECK NOW SIR!!!!

I am becoming disillusioned because I feel like I am under fire constantly because I am forced to keep eyeballing an evolving and escalating close quarters engagement on Recon and I seem to be sending the EXACT SAME SITREP every time ,something doesnt seem right Jesse.Nthing stays the same this long without a reason.

Jesse if the Cabal is not outed SOON America will drop down onto BOTH KNEES , she is already falling and if the last knee hits the ground she may not rise again.

The Cabal must be sacrificed NOW to bring America BACK FROM THE BRINK OF INTERNALLY CATALYSED DESTRUCTION.

Jesse the entire world knew in the 60s that NO ONE could undermine American Patriotism,it was not possible to do this externally, the entire world knew she had to fall from rot within and that it would be nearly impossible to accomplish this with any short term plan.

Jesse today the ENTIRE WORLD knows America is in her death throes, and also that the only way she will regain her balance strength and lifeblood is FROM WITHIN,Jesse the sad sad news is that a lot of the world is waiting for this melt-down like Vultures and Jackals,they are NOT ALL SMALL AND WEAK SCAVENGERS,they ...they do NOT BELIEVE IN AMERICA,,,,Jesse who in the World is going to prove them wrong when NO ONE has stepped forward and carried the ball for more than 2-3 yards before being felled since America was KOed?America has to GET UP and GET GOING TOGETHER and she needs to BITE BACK at the Cabal,it really may be now or never.

This is the ONE THING that would bring EVERY LAST LIVING BREATHING AMERICAN TOGETHER LIKE NOTHING IN HER HISTORY HAS BEFORE.

It is time to show everyone that in America there is ONLY ONE SIDE,the TRUE AMERICAN side.There is NO LINES SEPERATING American from American that cannot be removed forever by bringing Americas TRUTH back to her,and in doing so re-instill the brotherly and sisterly TRUST that is the backbone of Patriotism.

Jesse not everyone really knows what Military significance a Flag Bearer tradtionally carried,how important they were and the types of men who competed for the honors.For all I know you may have missed a few classes in your standard training,huh,well sometimes its the little things you miss that get you behind the 8-ball.Now you need to do some homework and google up yourself some data,go back to the beginning Jesse,re-connect with your inner warrior or politician or entertainer or whatever,because at the end of the day Jesse they are ALL FLAG-BEARERS of one type or another,you seem to be exposing a pattern here Jesse,you forgot the basics again ,to break up the lines to hide all patterns .

Anyone ever call you a FLAG-BEARER before Jesse, I am sure you have been accurately called A LOT of things,but has anything ever RESONATED like the words Flag-Brearer ??

Not Warrior Jesse,not Statesman Jesse,not Salesman Jesse.......but Flag-Bearer.These are very different things Jesse,this smells like an Evolution not an accident.

To actually change what is happening we can all DEMAND JUSTICE FOR JFK AND FOR ALL OF AMERICA by outing the Coup de tat Cabal for this is the ONLY thing which can restore Americas Patriotism and NATIONAL IDENTITY AND INTERNAL TRUST ,to give that paralysed National Patriotism and trust a single strand of solid REAL AMERICAN root to grow from again.






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posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 11:11 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

You seem like the type that will stand shoulder to shoulder with the idiot that called for UN peacekeepers to intervene in U.S. affairs. As for me and mine, I will trust my LOCAL cops any day. Prosecute the ones that are abusing their power, but those are few compared to the majority.



posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 11:12 PM
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Is it a rash, or just more access to information and the pimping of divisive stories by the MSM?

We know violent crime has decreased by a large percentage over the last 25 years and yet many would have us believe the opposite to manipulate us. I wonder if there are statistics about this to turn to for facts, rather than emotion driven supposition?

While exaggeration may be good for ratings for the MSM or clicks on blogs and such, it may well be very bad for our nation.

Any stat's on whether or not police brutality is on the rise from a good source? Most of what I've read posted here is often simply not true as it applies to the Cops. I'm all for exposing bad apples, but against sensationalizing for less than honorable reasons.

With what's going on, what we need are facts minus opinions and for critical thinking to prevail.

As for camera's, I'm all for that. It's the sensationalized video's that fail to show what happened off camera and stills that again don't tell the whole story and may in fact be misleading I don't care for. We see way to much of that.

Cop hating is just another form of bigotry equal to racism in my opinion, while exposing genuinely bad cops is a service. How do we sift through this mountain of crap to find truth I wonder? If camera's help we need all Cops to use them.



posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 11:23 PM
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originally posted by: Domo1
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I keep saying this said and frankly think it's ridiculous. You don't have citizens with guns.


Actually many of the villains do have guns, but they rarely use them on the cops because they dont need to, they use them on each other!



posted on Aug, 21 2014 @ 11:44 PM
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The cop violence, these moron cops have got to be stupid from the rookie all the way up to the police chiefs. Everything is on camera nowadays, and uploaded to social media. In the old days they could see a camera and confiscate it as "evidence". Not anymore.

Coming out in full military gear was a shocker. People accept a special trained unit of SWAT, not the average cops with all that firepower who are only dunkin donut trained.

Some of the everyday stuff is over exaggerated. Cops are in contact with thugs, thugs do bad things like rob places and attack cops, I don't see how that equates with the majority of America which is non thugs.

There is also the 'earthquake factor'. A couple hundred years ago nobody could record and communicate yearly earthquake data. Now it is instant globally 24/7 for every little tremor. Are there more earthquakes today than then? Nobody knows, kind of like how there are cameras everywhere and internet access, maybe there always has been cop violence.



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 02:25 AM
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The police need better training. The academies must be using the same tired material from the days when people didn't have so many behavioral health issues.

Until the police are trained to handle the public as we are, this won't stop.



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 11:24 AM
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Are we talking about policy enforcers, or those who work for the good of all citizens?

I'm confused.


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1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a plan of action adopted or pursued by an individual, government, party, business, etc
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